Olney: Jays in on Garza

[Angrioter]

DeJong and Pillar are junk in the grand scheme of things, I don't think the Cubs consider that at all. I bet some other team offers a legitimate top 50 prospect if Garza keeps pitching well.

 

DeJong and Pillar? ------- Who are they, Hockey players?

Cubs want real guys (Stroman, Sanchez, Norris, Osuna, AJ Jimenez......JP Arenciabia? lol)

[Angrioter]

Exactly. If we didn't have DeJong and Pillar I wouldn't think any differently about our farm as a whole. They're just random C prospects.

 

DeJong = Comer right now; Pillar is a legit C prospect

 

btw My boy Junior Lake > Pillar

[Angrioter]

Yup. It took 4 guys of this quality to land JA Happ.

 

People learn from their mistakes; this time will be better (Nolin + Jimenez for +2 month of Garza)

[blackjays21]

why bother trading for this guy.... wait a few months and try signing him in the offseason.

we really shouldn't be dumping any more prospects.. if anything should be collecting them!

[KSaw]

What the Cubs want is just under a million in slot money in under 72 hours. That is worth 3 or 4 prospects to them. Look, it's just tough to factor the slot money and then wonder what else it would take. This isn't last year. The Cubs are racing the clock here.

[KSaw]

why bother trading for this guy.... wait a few months and try signing him in the offseason.

we really shouldn't be dumping any more prospects.. if anything should be collecting them!

 

Because in spite of the last week's games, this club should be at or near .500 at the break. They follow it with a 10-game home stand. They finish July with 56-57 wins, which is within reach and they are a contender. They add Garza and they are a serious contender. And if they do tank before July ends, they can flip Garza again and without cap money being in the equation, probably get better prospects than they gave up.

[Angrioter]

The Dodgers are reportedly offering a pitching prospect, and are willing to take on the entire $5.7 million remaining on Nolasco's salary. The Giants are said to be offering a pair of pitching prospects, but aren't as willing to eat Nolasco's salary. With two offers already in hand, and other teams rumored to be interested in acquiring Nolasco, the Marlins should wind up with a nice package in return for the right-hander.

 

 

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[8D]

Welcome to Miami, Zach Lee!

 

If that goes through...

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[GeorgiaPeach]

Are you Canadians?...What is the income per capita in Canada?

The Blue Jays are a big market team.

 

List the teams you believe are ahead of the Jays for market size. I'd place them around 10 or 11.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Let's not forget that Garza is a massively greasy dirtbag who smells like leftover lobster tacos and spits constantly.

 

No thanks

 

Dave Stieb, never sweat like a pig, spit just as much as Garza, or adjusted himself every 2 minutes.

[Angrioter]

List the teams you believe are ahead of the Jays for market size. I'd place them around 10 or 11.

 

Yankees - out (Cano new contract, Teixeira, Arod, CC)

Dodgers - out (Kershaw new contract, Kemp, Crawford, Ethier, Greinke)

San Francisco - out

Chicago - out

 

 

Blue jays, Angels, Red Sox, O's, Nats, Rangers in

[ElNik2013]

I flat out hate it when a team I follow is desperate to address a weakness that it had supposedly ALREADY addressed in the preceding offseason by spending a huge amount of $ and prospects. Just roll with what you invested so much in. I'd rather address the catching position.

[KSaw]

Sadly Garza has pitched so well that he's now the top available arm (according to Onley and Rosenthal) and would cost more than Peavy. Cleveland are apparently hot after him.

[KSaw]

I flat out hate it when a team I follow is desperate to address a weakness that it had supposedly ALREADY addressed in the preceding offseason by spending a huge amount of $ and prospects. Just roll with what you invested so much in. I'd rather address the catching position.

 

With Morrow and Happ unjured and Romero not rebounding from surgery, this is what you get. Add in that Jenkins has really not developed into anything other than a long reliever, Stroman delayed by the suspension and Deck not developing at all and it worsens. Then you can also factor in that Johnson pitched in pain and then missed time and still hasn't found command of his secondary pitches. Yikes!

 

The club needs a decent starter now!

[GeorgiaPeach]

With Morrow and Happ unjured and Romero not rebounding from surgery, this is what you get. Add in that Jenkins has really not developed into anything other than a long reliever, Stroman delayed by the suspension and Deck not developing at all and it worsens. Then you can also factor in that Johnson pitched in pain and then missed time and still hasn't found command of his secondary pitches. Yikes!

 

The club needs a decent starter now!

 

What's the immediacy Kirk?

[oakville69]

If this even happened an extension would have to come with it I would think. I am sure AA realizes this team isn't really going to make it this year, but getting Garza on an extension would make a lot of sense. Would give this team a shot in the arm and maybe get them to a respectable finish and set them up for a possible contending year next season.

 

The guy has been pretty durable throughout his career except for his injury last season so that's a plus I guess.

 

Very good point. I assume AA would get a 72 hr window to negotiate an extension with Garza. Does Garza have a no trade clause?

[KSaw]

Very good point. I assume AA would get a 72 hr window to negotiate an extension with Garza. Does Garza have a no trade clause?

 

There would be no window. They are trying to deal now and before Garza's next start. They need extra slot money now! They are running out of time. I wouldn't be shocked to see Garza dealt today.

[ElNik2013]

With Morrow and Happ unjured and Romero not rebounding from surgery, this is what you get. Add in that Jenkins has really not developed into anything other than a long reliever, Stroman delayed by the suspension and Deck not developing at all and it worsens. Then you can also factor in that Johnson pitched in pain and then missed time and still hasn't found command of his secondary pitches. Yikes!

 

The club needs a decent starter now!

 

 

Happ and Romero were the 5th and 6th starters and Morrow has always been a question mark. If they were counting on Jenkins and Deck for anything they're right were they deserve to be in terms of pitching. The decision was made to have Stroman start, I would think they would want to give him a full season to be able to decide if he'll be ok starting. The issue is that the top 4 in the rotation have not performed to expectations and unless this turns around on a consistent basis, I don't see the point of overpaying AGAIN in prospects and $.

 

I'd rather they just spend the money on the Cuban pitcher.

[Chappy]

When was the last time this happened? I can't think of a single case where a deadline rental negotiated an extension with the acquiring team in a pre-trade window.

 

Really? I don't recall any specific instances but I thought it has happened before? I may be wrong though.

[TheHurl]

Can we just keep the "Jays in on Garza" thread going. If we didn't change boards we could have a 3 year thread, I expect it to go at least 2 more

[KSaw]

I can't think of a single midseason trade that was contingent to an extension. That said, the Mets are apparently talking to Miami about Stanton but only with an extension.

[KSaw]

Here's a good gauge of what the Cubs are trying to get and how he is valued outside of Chicago. The Cubs asked Baltimore for Jonathan Schoop and Eduardo Rodriguez and cap slot estimated to be around $750k. The Orioles didnt think twice about rejecting that. In fact Baltimore thought that Schoop straight up was too much for a rental.

[KSaw]

What would the Mets even give up for Stanton? It has to be Harvey. There's really no package sans Harvey that makes sense.

 

Peter Gammons was on the Joe and Evan Show and suggested Wheeler, Flores and one of Syndergaard/ Montero. Also said that would be too much without an extension.

[KSaw]

I'm surprised so much is riding on an extension. Stanton still has 3 arb years left before free agency.

 

Ya, they specifically pointed out that 3 years of service wasnt enough for what they'd be giving up. Also pointed out that the Mets are probably 3 years away from being a serious contender. That would be Stanton's walk year.

[G-Snarls]

Really? I don't recall any specific instances but I thought it has happened before? I may be wrong though.

 

What time of year was Doc traded???

[Chappy]

What time of year was Doc traded???

 

November/December?

[DuckDuckGose]

What would the Mets even give up for Stanton? It has to be Harvey. There's really no package sans Harvey that makes sense.

 

Syndergaard + d'Arnaud + Niese

[P2F]

Syndergaard + d'Arnaud + Niese

 

If that gets it done, this depresses me greatly.

[KSaw]

Syndergaard + d'Arnaud + Niese

 

Relax guys. The entire conversation was about Wheeler being the center piece and how much Miami likes Wheeler and his years of control, ceiling, etc.

[ElNik2013]

I'd rather get the Cuban guy. He's young and would only cost money. I really don't see the point of giving up prospects for Garza with Dickey getting bombarded again.