Potential pieces to trade away: We're sellers

[SAAviour]

Did you post on the old forum? The media loved the trade, but it was obvious from the moment it was announced that we were losing a ton of value.

I posted there, and recall most of us jizzing on our computers, while still recognizing we lost talent, but maybe I'm wrong. I have a bad memory.

[IronLadle]

Because you're being an idiot and not recognizing that salary relief is an asset. Getting both salary relief and player assets was a coup for them. These players will not earn their contracts here, let alone warrant assets going the other way.

 

And you don't seem to realize that they could of gotten salary relief along with some better prospects.

[jays_fever]

And you don't seem to realize that they could of gotten salary relief along with some better prospects.

 

Says who, you?

[IronLadle]

Oh? Why didn't they? Why would the 29 teams who didn't outbid them for Buehrle and Reyes the year before suddenly want their expensive backloaded years while also giving up prospects for them?

 

Answer: they wouldn't.

 

because they were to eager to dump salary, Buerhle, Johnson and Reyes all had good years. They didn't even wait until the winter meetings to make a trade - I bet half the GM's didn't even realize they were available. AA said they initially tried to get Johnson and it just spiralled into the trade it did.

[ElNik2013]

What is not known is how much the increased attendance, interest in the team, merchandise sales, tv ratings, etc. from the Marlins trade means for Rogers vs having a team with the starting rotation in shambles, coming off a horrible 2nd half and likely declining attendance, interest and ratings.

[flafson]

I just hope AA is pushing to keep all the strong prospects we already have.

[Orgfiller]

Its going to take awhile for the "ZOMG NINJA AA OWNS THE MARLINS!!!" crowd to understand what happened here. You can say what you want about Loria, but that front-office is usually pretty solid, and they accomplished exactly what they wanted to in the trade. We'll end up losing to the tune of $100+ million in value.

 

I actually appreciate what the Marlins have been doing so far even though their owners are complete snakes. I admire getting rid of their highest paid players for prospects, valuable young players and other valuable players (like Escobar), it's absolutely a kick in the balls to the fans for making them think the team was serious for a year and then just went ahead and traded everyone when it all failed, but still as far as realizing their mistake and trying to capitalize by getting good young players it's a smart move.

 

However, while I don't know much of the players in return, I think trading a solid pitcher like Nolasco for what appears to be 2 relievers and a 23 year old pitcher in the low minors is not very good for them, I'm sure a team desperate to compete (like the Dodgers themselves) or one looking to solidify their rotation (Orioles, Rangers (though Daniels is hard to trade with)) could have offered a better package. I get it, obvious salary dump, but like I said the players in return could've been better.

[flafson]

They figure that the best way to get the highest ROI is to have as little payroll as possible, hence they get rid of anyone they can besides 1 player who they think will bring the fans which is Stanton.

[Abomination]

They figure that the best way to get the highest ROI is to have as little payroll as possible, hence they get rid of anyone they can besides 1 player who they think will bring the fans which is Stanton.

 

Aren't they receiving significantly more money from revenue sharing than they are paying in salary even before this trade? At this point to not include salary to get better prospects is pretty much unforgivable for them imo.

[ElNik2013]

Aren't they receiving significantly more money from revenue sharing than they are paying in salary even before this trade? At this point to not include salary to get better prospects is pretty much unforgivable for them imo.

 

 

Why should they care? They've never suffered any major consequences for dumping salaries before so they'll keep doing this.

[Dick_Pole]

Aren't they receiving significantly more money from revenue sharing than they are paying in salary even before this trade? At this point to not include salary to get better prospects is pretty much unforgivable for them imo.

 

Better prospects = guys they will have to pay a lot of money through arbitration a couple of years down the road. It's much better for their strategy to have 25 scrubs just happy to be in the MLB.

[Orgfiller]

Better prospects = guys they will have to pay a lot of money through arbitration a couple of years down the road. It's much better for their strategy to have 25 scrubs just happy to be in the MLB.

 

I don't really agree with this reasoning at all. I mean, if you're the Marlins' GM you at least have to hope that by getting better prospects maybe some rich old billionaire would take interest in the team, buy it and give them a decent payroll. It doesn't make any sense to want worse players just because they won't earn as much money as other more valuable ones. Sure if the Dodgers just decided to give away Greinke they probably couldn't afford him but if you get a prospect you have some controllable years in them and then worst case scenario trade them for more prospects when their FA years come up. No team's strategy should ever be to purposely acquire bad players in exchange for good ones just for the sake of paying them little.

[fatcowxlive]

I don't really agree with this reasoning at all. I mean, if you're the Marlins' GM you at least have to hope that by getting better prospects maybe some rich old billionaire would take interest in the team, buy it and give them a decent payroll. It doesn't make any sense to want worse players just because they won't earn as much money as other more valuable ones. Sure if the Dodgers just decided to give away Greinke they probably couldn't afford him but if you get a prospect you have some controllable years in them and then worst case scenario trade them for more prospects when their FA years come up. No team's strategy should ever be to purposely acquire bad players in exchange for good ones just for the sake of paying them little.

 

Holy crap! Welcome back Orgfiller!

[Orgfiller]

Holy crap! Welcome back Orgfiller!

 

Lol hey bro, just trying to get some posts in on an interesting discussion. Still going to be hard to post on a regular basis but at least I might get one or two posts in on occasion.

 

Great job on the GDT's btw.

[fatcowxlive]

Lol hey bro, just trying to get some posts in on an interesting discussion. Still going to be hard to post on a regular basis but at least I might get one or two posts in on occasion.

 

Great job on the GDT's btw.

 

Damn :/. It's always nice to have you around bro! And thank you!

[IronLadle]

Says who, you?

 

Look at what we gave up for Dickey and the Shields trade.

[G-Snarls]

Hayhurst says trade Janssen:

 

[G-Snarls]

Look at what we gave up for Dickey and the Shields trade.

 

Yep. Guys like Travis D'Arnaud and Will Myers don't grow on trees. Do they all make it big? No. But they can change a franchise for cheap $ when they do.

[G-Snarls]

Janssen to the Tigers. Dombrowski and Leland want.

 

Delabar/Cecil closers by committee.

[flafson]

I haven't seen anything to suggest D'Arnaud is going to be a big hit in the big league, Myers on the other hand...

[G-Snarls]

Yeah I'm down with the BTS plan

 

Get some prospects now and upgrade catcher via free agency this off season

[Jimcanuck]

Yeah I'm down with the BTS plan

 

Get some prospects now and upgrade catcher via free agency this off season

 

i'm surprised BTS wants to keep JPA, with AJ on the near horizon.... heck AJ is likely better than JPA RIGHT NOW

[G-Snarls]

i'm surprised BTS wants to keep JPA, with AJ on the near horizon.... heck AJ is likely better than JPA RIGHT NOW

 

I think he's assuming he's untradeable, or thatbhe knows AA won't do it, and that there's no one to replace him with right now

 

This off season will be the time to address it. Tons of FA catchers available.

[G-Snarls]

I think the Dominican experiment might have to end...

 

Ridiculous

 

Trade Bautista if you get a king's ransom, but I'm not giving up on him, EE and Reyes.

[JaysRap]

We're Sellers thread...right on cue.

 

I'd be less on board to trade Jansen because of other closer volatility (if he can sucessfully close then hang onto him). I'm all on board for trading Lind. Every day he's creeping back into the guy we all wanted gobe from the git go.

 

Also Oliver and Johnson for sure.

[flafson]

For some reason i had a feeling this thread will be up and running tonight

[TheHurl]

someone should start the we're buyers and sellers thread as I think it's more realistic. I can see them buying someone who is around for more than just this year. I don't see them going full out pieces for prospects though.

[Caper]

So we're 46-49. The season is over. AA has to be selling here.

 

Must Sell

Darren Oliver - Dude is 42 and probably retiring at the end of the year, but he's been serviceable. Someone will offer up a non-insignificant prospect or two.

 

Rajai Davis - He's a free agent at the end of the year, and we probably won't be the team to offer him a contract. Not with Gose in the fold and hopefully ready to take his job for a fraction of the cost. He should return 1-2 interesting prospects.

 

Should probably sell

 

Adam Lind - $7 million team option with a $2 million buyout. He's a platoon 1B/DH, and you can acquire that for cheaper than $7 million. If anyone is willing to take the contract on to save us the buyout and remaining salary this year we should do it. Any asset being offered is a bonus.

 

JJ - He's not going to accept his QO, and will get a 4+ year contract from someone. Seeing as he's 30 and unreliable, it probably shouldn't be us. The sandwich pick really isn't very valuable. AA will be able to do better on the market.

 

Janssen - He'll be at his peak trade value, and at the end of the day he's just a pen arm. There's really no reason to keep him. He has a $4 million team option for next year, and then hits free agency. Someone is going to give this guy $7+ million per on a 3-year deal for his age-33-35 seasons, and it shouldn't be us.

 

I think you can do that and not give up on the season.

[Arkadium]

Ridiculous

 

Trade Bautista if you get a king's ransom, but I'm not giving up on him, EE and Reyes.

 

Can you just imagine this team w/o Bautista. That would be a team I could barely watch.

[Abomination]

So we're 46-49. The season is over. AA has to be selling here.

 

Must Sell

Darren Oliver - Dude is 42 and probably retiring at the end of the year, but he's been serviceable. Someone will offer up a non-insignificant prospect or two.

 

Rajai Davis - He's a free agent at the end of the year, and we probably won't be the team to offer him a contract. Not with Gose in the fold and hopefully ready to take his job for a fraction of the cost. He should return 1-2 interesting prospects.

 

Should probably sell

 

Adam Lind - $7 million team option with a $2 million buyout. He's a platoon 1B/DH, and you can acquire that for cheaper than $7 million. If anyone is willing to take the contract on to save us the buyout and remaining salary this year we should do it. Any asset being offered is a bonus.

 

JJ - He's not going to accept his QO, and will get a 4+ year contract from someone. Seeing as he's 30 and unreliable, it probably shouldn't be us. The sandwich pick really isn't very valuable. AA will be able to do better on the market.

 

Janssen - He'll be at his peak trade value, and at the end of the day he's just a pen arm. There's really no reason to keep him. He has a $4 million team option for next year, and then hits free agency. Someone is going to give this guy $7+ million per on a 3-year deal for his age-33-35 seasons, and it shouldn't be us.

 

Lawrie played 2nd today in his rehab assignment (very interesting), so I suspect we will be looking to both buy and sell. I don't think Rajai nets 2 prospects of any worth, but I could see 1 midlevel one and agree with trading him and Oliver. I disagree with trading Lind (think he's more valuable to us than what we could get in return). I absolutely agree with trading Janssen if the return plugs a hole at 2nd or 3rd (although I hate to lose him). JJ is more complicated, and personally unless we got something too good to pass up on I'd rather hold onto him and take the pick or try to resign him at a discount.