Mikeleelop Verified Member Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 That's a mighty bug swing for such a little guy Cut down the swing and use your speed loser
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 43 wRC+ through 235 PA. And he sucks at defense. So you're saying that he is neither producing runs nor preventing them So the reason he's still in the team is obviously... Can't finish that sentence
Mikeleelop Verified Member Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 Can we change the name of this thread to Play Bono #LowertheBar
Deadpool Old-Timey Member Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 Can we change the name of this thread to Play Bono #LowertheBar Maybe we can trade Bonifacio to a team trying to tank for a good draft pick?
admin Site Manager Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 Guys settle down. Maybe next season he'll be better.
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 Guys settle down. Maybe next season he'll be better. LOL If he's on this team next year I swear to God I'll #}}#%}}{~^++^%%###
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 Guys settle down. Maybe next season he'll be better. Zip it Pocoyo
Atothe Old-Timey Member Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 Why does he have the longest swing on the team. He has no hit tool or power to speak of. He doesn't even know how to bunt. This guy is JPA without the power Amazing!
KSaw Verified Member Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 And yet Philadelphia, Atlanta and Pittsburgh have expressed interest in him. Cincy too I believe. I personally think that he's worth a bag of popcorn but if someone else actually sees something in him, you trade him, you don't DFA him. And by trade I mean add him as a throw in on a deal. Bonifacio is no center piece.
KSaw Verified Member Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 Btw I could see Boni as valuable in a playoff series. Some teams carry just 11 or even 10 pitchers in a short series. I suppose that Boni would have value as a pinch runner. I guess.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 f***ing moron All he's proven is that they're both expendable.
Laika Community Moderator Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 DFA half the team. Studs and Duds doesn't get you there in baseball.
eastcoastjaysfan Old-Timey Member Posted July 11, 2013 Author Posted July 11, 2013 Remember a few years ago when Fattie Wilner wanted McCoy as our starting shortstop bc he had a good OBP the year before in AAA for tthe Rockies Enjoy the Type 2 Diabeetus tubs
admin Site Manager Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 I don't even begrudge Wilner for his comments. We have proof that being objective as a baseball reporter in Toronto gets you suspended from your job and verbally berated by players on the radio with no consequences. He should still f*** right off.
Laika Community Moderator Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 He should still f*** right off. I'd turn into a whiny jaded ******* too if 90% of my callers/commenters didn't even understand how pitcher wins get handed out.
KSaw Verified Member Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 Remember a few years ago when Fattie Wilner wanted McCoy as our starting shortstop bc he had a good OBP the year before in AAA for tthe Rockies Enjoy the Type 2 Diabeetus tubs In fairness when Toronto first acquired McCoy he was considered a steal. There were at least 10 other teams that wanted him. McCoy was thought to be a versatile, blossoming talent who would hit enough to be a very good utility player, with a ceiling that could see him jump to the next level and start in the middle infield or in CF. Obviously the quickness, bat speed, arm and high baseball IQ meant nothing because he simply can't hit big league pitching. Wilner had no way to know this. Scouts were all over McCoy calling him a late bloomer with tools.
KSaw Verified Member Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 And the Rockies were ripped by the local media when they DFAd McCoy and couldn't slip him through waivers. He was claimed by multiple teams and the Jays were called after acquiring him to see of they'd trade him. Oh well, he was a flop and I guess they knew what they had in Colorado, though they misjudged the market and should have traded him instead of getting nothing.
eastcoastjaysfan Old-Timey Member Posted July 11, 2013 Author Posted July 11, 2013 In fairness when Toronto first acquired McCoy he was considered a steal. There were at least 10 other teams that wanted him. McCoy was thought to be a versatile, blossoming talent who would hit enough to be a very good utility player, with a ceiling that could see him jump to the next level and start in the middle infield or in CF. Obviously the quickness, bat speed, arm and high baseball IQ meant nothing because he simply can't hit big league pitching. Wilner had no way to know this. Scouts were all over McCoy calling him a late bloomer with tools. At least 10 other teams wanted a 5'9 weak middle infielder with limited defensive ability? McCoy has a good approach at the plate and can take a walk. I'll give him that. But I don't know what scouts would've seen in him back then...
Deadpool Old-Timey Member Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 At least 10 other teams wanted a 5'9 weak middle infielder with limited defensive ability? McCoy has a good approach at the plate and can take a walk. I'll give him that. But I don't know what scouts would've seen in him back then... When he joined the Jays, Alex Gonzalez was our everyday shortstop. There's a reasonable case to be made the Mike McDonald could have been better then Alex Gonzalez.
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 I'd turn into a whiny jaded ******* too if 90% of my callers/commenters didn't even understand how pitcher wins get handed out. I liked the caller who thought Kawasaki was worth a huge amount of WAR because the team won 11 games in a row with him at short instead of Reyes. (As in, the team won a ton more games with him REPLACING Reyes and he though that's what wins against replacement meant)
Deadpool Old-Timey Member Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 I liked the caller who thought Kawasaki was worth a huge amount of WAR because the team won 11 games in a row with him at short instead of Reyes. (As in, the team won a ton more games with him REPLACING Reyes and he though that's what wins against replacement meant) Yeah, there's no way I could do Wilner's job dealing with people like this... I'd drink even more, curse like a drunken sailor on the air and probably murder my call screener...
The Cats Ass Old-Timey Member Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 For all the Bonifacio haters! http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/wilner-bonifacio-not-worth-giving-up-on/ "One would think that lessons would have been learned about overreacting to poor performances by players like Edwin Encarnacion, Adam Lind and Brett Cecil — all of whom have been the target of Jays fans’ wrath at several points over the last few seasons. There’s a lot more in Bonifacio than what we’ve seen — we saw some of it Wednesday night in Cleveland — and that’s why he’s still here."
Laika Community Moderator Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 For all the Bonifacio haters! http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/wilner-bonifacio-not-worth-giving-up-on/ "One would think that lessons would have been learned about overreacting to poor performances by players like Edwin Encarnacion, Adam Lind and Brett Cecil..." Don't look now, but the Adam Lind dead cat bounce is very probably over. The guy has TWO walks since June 9th. I wish that was a joke. So much for seeing the ball well. The Cibia has 7 walks in that span. At this point, he's basically just Adam Lind from the last 3 years + some BABIP luck (.349). As for Cecil, he was a s*** starter so they moved him to the pen, as they should have. Any sane person expected him to carry value as a reliever.
KSaw Verified Member Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 At least 10 other teams wanted a 5'9 weak middle infielder with limited defensive ability? McCoy has a good approach at the plate and can take a walk. I'll give him that. But I don't know what scouts would've seen in him back then... Foot speed, first step instinct in infield and outfield, bat speed, hands and plate approach. Don't know where you got weak fielder from. He was always considered as good in all 3 outfield positions, at 3b and 2b and decent at short. The throw from the hole was the SS question mark. All that said, scouting isn't perfect. He can't hit! And even with the positives that were seen, they weren't plus or elite skills, they were viewed as decent skills. A versatile player with upside--- that he never realized. Colorado had it right in the end.
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