NBA Thread

[connorp]

JV + Siakam + Powell (or Miles) + a 1st for AD would seem to be a very enticing offer for the Pelicans considering their lack of leverage.

 

Nah, if I’m NO Im going to wait it out for a bit to see if he’ll change his mind. No way in hell im dealing him by deadline unless I’m blown away. At least one young potential star (very legit) + other good pieces

[connorp]

Don’t think Lakers young pieces get it done. Prob Boston (Tatum, Brown, + 1st(s) but they can’t trade for him until July

[Dr. Dinger]

Nah, if I’m NO Im going to wait it out for a bit to see if he’ll change his mind. No way in hell im dealing him by deadline unless I’m blown away. At least one young potential star (very legit) + other good pieces

 

I doubt they’d get anyone with a better combination of star potential and affordability than Siakam. The Lakers aren’t overflowing with young talent to trade and Davis isn’t going to change his mind. This is a point of no return.

[Dr. Dinger]

Don’t think Lakers young pieces get it done. Prob Boston (Tatum, Brown, + 1st(s) but they can’t trade for him until July

 

 

New Orleans will do what’s best for the franchise, not what Davis wants. He’s essentially just dumped them publicly to force their hand. No doubt he’s made it clear to them behind closed doors for quite some time and is just now making it public.

[connorp]

New Orleans will do what’s best for the franchise, not what Davis wants. He’s essentially just dumped them publicly to force their hand. No doubt he’s made it clear to them behind closed doors for quite some time and is just now making it public.

 

Well, if you believe the latter part I see your point. I think it prob happened recently (last month or so when he switched agents) when it became clear this team wasn’t going anywhere. I still think NO has leverage though and I think they’ll wait until after season to get the best deal but we’ll see. If I was a team like Chicago I’d be getting in on it too. Should be a lot of phone calls coming up

[Dr. Dinger]

I just don’t see many teams who have the ability to trade for him and also would be willing to give up significant assets knowing Davis will walk after next season. Raptors fit that description to a tee.

[connorp]

I just don’t see many teams who have the ability to trade for him and also would be willing to give up significant assets knowing Davis will walk after next season. Raptors fit that description to a tee.

 

Definitely worth the phone call for Tor, that’s for sure. I think I put AD firmly at #3 at least..interchangeable with KD. LBJ showing why he’s #1 as he can make a s*** team a legit playoff contender to be accounted for; even out West

[Terminator]

Don’t think Lakers young pieces get it done. Prob Boston (Tatum, Brown, + 1st(s) but they can’t trade for him until July

 

If the Lakers gave up every enticing young piece they have it wouldn't be a horrible offer. Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Hart and an expiring deal plus picks isn't bad. Boston and the 76ers could blow it out of the water if they wanted too but I'm not positive that they would want to take on the risk of him signing elsewhere. I don't think the Lakers would have to worry about him walking at the end of the year.

[Orgfiller]

Definitely worth the phone call for Tor, that’s for sure. I think I put AD firmly at #3 at least..interchangeable with KD. LBJ showing why he’s #1 as he can make a s*** team a legit playoff contender to be accounted for; even out West

 

Anthony Davis is fantastic, arguably a top 5 player, but he is in no way better than LeBron, KD or Curry. He's also probably not better than Harden, and arguably Giannis is already on a similar level with Kawhi also in the mix since he's more versatile on both ends of the floor. AD is in no way, shape or form interchangeable with Durant or Curry.

[connorp]

Anthony Davis is fantastic, arguably a top 5 player, but he is in no way better than LeBron, KD or Curry. He's also probably not better than Harden, and arguably Giannis is already on a similar level with Kawhi also in the mix since he's more versatile on both ends of the floor. AD is in no way, shape or form interchangeable with Durant or Curry.

 

Matter of opinion I guess. If you’d rather start a team with Curry more power to you but I’ll take the guy that’s an elite scorer, rebounder, and Defensive POY material as a big man. Harden plays mostly one end and puts up like 40 shots every game. Not saying he’s not super elite but not better overall than AD.

 

KD is pretty special so I’ll say AD 3

[Orgfiller]

Matter of opinion I guess. If you’d rather start a team with Curry more power to you but I’ll take the guy that’s an elite scorer, rebounder, and Defensive POY material as a big man. Harden plays mostly one end and puts up like 40 shots every game. Not saying he’s not super elite but not better overall than AD.

 

KD is pretty special so I’ll say AD 3

 

Curry's offense is so far ahead of everything else that AD contributes that it's just not close imo, scoring in basketball is that much more important than everything else, and Steph can score from anywhere inside half-court and he's also an excellent ball-handler, passer, and a good rebounder for his position. Harden has been carrying G-Leaguers the last month or so in a way that AD has never been able to do.

 

Harden is having a historically great scoring season, on incredible efficiency, he's not Russell Westbrook. He takes 40 shots because he has to and scores in a way that almost no one in the league can, certainly not AD.

[connorp]

Give me a big man that provides elite impact at both ends of the floor please. I doubt I’m alone if NBA GMs are drafting the league. But I’m not s***ing on your opinion.

[TheHurl]

AD's years in the top 10 in VORP

 

Value Over Replacement Player

2014-15 NBA 5.7 (6th)

2017-18 NBA 4.9 (10th)

2018-19 NBA 4.2 (4th)

 

& Win Shares

 

2014-15 NBA 14.0 (4th)

2017-18 NBA 13.7 (4th)

2018-19 NBA 8.3 (3rd)

 

Win Shares per 48

 

2013-14 NBA .212 (7th)

2014-15 NBA .274 (2nd)

2017-18 NBA .241 (5th)

2018-19 NBA .263 (2nd)

[dineke]

Give me a big man that provides elite impact at both ends of the floor please. I doubt I’m alone if NBA GMs are drafting the league. But I’m not s***ing on your opinion.

 

This is 2019 not 1970. Guards are more important than big men unless they like a guard like lebron or kd.

[connorp]

This is 2019. Guards are more important than big men unless they like a guard like lebron or kd.

 

AD can move bro. He’s right behind those two

[connorp]

I read mybookie.com pegs the Raps as faves to land AD

[Spanky99]

Holy s***...

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/celtics-lakers-five-potential-anthony-davis-trades-pelicans-213319525.html

[jaysblue]

Holy s***...

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/celtics-lakers-five-potential-anthony-davis-trades-pelicans-213319525.html

 

I don't see Philly or Boston offering that type of package lol.

 

Knicks would be foolish to sacrifice their future and bank on that they could resign Davis and another NBA star.

 

Lakers are still No. 1 to land IMO, but I wouldn't sleep on the Raptors. Masai seems all in this season and what better chance would you have at a NBA Championship with both Leonard and Davis. Might be the last year with Leonard anyways, so do whatever you can to give yourself the best chance to win this season. Worst case if Leonard leaves, you still have a solid core of Davis and Lowry. I'm hesitant in trading Siakam though, but not opposed to the idea as well.

[Dick_Pole]

I don't see Philly or Boston offering that type of package lol.

 

Knicks would be foolish to sacrifice their future and bank on that they could resign Davis and another NBA star.

 

Lakers are still No. 1 to land IMO, but I wouldn't sleep on the Raptors. Masai seems all in this season and what better chance would you have at a NBA Championship with both Leonard and Davis. Might be the last year with Leonard anyways, so do whatever you can to give yourself the best chance to win this season. Worst case if Leonard leaves, you still have a solid core of Davis and Lowry. I'm hesitant in trading Siakam though, but not opposed to the idea as well.

 

There is 0% chance the deal gets done without Siakam. Though Aunoby AND the pick (they're probably assuming Raptors are trash by 2021 with this deal) is a little rich. But I agree with the rest of the sentiment. Go for it. This is the best shot the Raptors have and if they can somehow get Davis and Leonard in the same room and convince that this team has a better chance at winning with them as the core than the *snicker* Clippers organization, that would be even better.

 

What I find comical is the continued portrayal of Ujiri as a "risk taker" instead of merely being a smart GM. The San Antonio trade was brilliant from all possible angles, both for the short AND long term health of the organization. That's okay though, let the NBA think that's he basketball's version of AA. It seems like the NBA and the media that covers it is a few years behind in thinking versus MLB when it comes to efficient roster construction. Which is strange because they've had the cap for years and teams have always had to do moves with that in mind, like divvying off expiring contracts in Davis-like deals.

[Krylian]

The Raptors going balls deep for Davis is a no brainer.

 

Let's say it takes Siakim, Wright, and a future 1st, just for arguments sake. Hefty price that impacts the future. No doubt. However, Davis still has another year on his deal after this one. So this season plays out. Maybe the Raps win (then it's all worth it), or maybe the don't...in which case, you turn your efforts to resigning Kawhi. If he walks, then you can make the call to pull the trigger on the whole thing and start a rebuild. At that point you just re-deal Davis to Boston, LA, whoever...and basically recoup what you gave up in the first place. Teams will still be lining up to trade for him and his value really wouldn't have gone down much...if at all.

 

The only question is, will giving up Siakim, Delon, and/or whatever it will take from the current roster, impact their potential success this season by decimating their depth? That's a different discussion though.

[Dick_Pole]

I think we have been through enough playoffs to recognize that the Raptors haven't been winning with superior depth, might as well try something different. A top 3 of Leonard, Davis and Lowry trumps anything outside of Golden State and at least close enough to them to make a 7-game series interesting, particularly if the Raptors secure home court.

[Dick_Pole]

As far as the rebuild, it would be just the 1.5 years if the Raptors are in on who we all think they'll be in on, plus whatever return for Davis and Lowry (might as well dump him too if they're going that route).

[connorp]

AD reportedly insisting he’ll only sign with LA. Although that has been said about other FA like Paul George, it rings a bit more likely to be true considering his agent and LeBron meetings.

 

I’m not sure if I pony up the assets if I’m Bos for one season. If they got two playoff runs out the deal, maybe. So same goes for a team like Tor. So it may be in their best interest to trade him now rather then season end

[Dr. Dinger]

AD reportedly insisting he’ll only sign with LA.

 

This is actually a good thing for the Raptors chances of acquiring him. It makes other non-LA teams less inclined to give up assets for him, and potentially increases LA's leverage, thereby reducing their offer.

[jaysblue]

This is actually a good thing for the Raptors chances of acquiring him. It makes other non-LA teams less inclined to give up assets for him, and potentially increases LA's leverage, thereby reducing their offer.

 

Yeah if its known AD will only sign with the Lakers, then I think Raptors take Siakam off the table.

[connorp]

Yeah if its known AD will only sign with the Lakers, then I think Raptors take Siakam off the table.

 

I think you got to if you have 2 playoff runs. Definitely not 1 though

[connorp]

New reports saying NO not even fielding calls right now. They sounded a little salty in their statement. It’s clear this is likely a power move to get him to LA but they aren’t having it lol. Can’t blame them

[Krylian]

AD for fined $50K fire going public with his trade demand.

 

Now has rescinded and says he'll finish the season in NO and reevaluate.

[connorp]

AD for fined $50K fire going public with his trade demand.

 

Now has rescinded and says he'll finish the season in NO and reevaluate.

 

Link for the second part?

 

Haven’t read that but did see NO was considering benching him the rest of year to ensure his health. So that raises the stakes a bit. I love LeBron but they did overstep here a bit if certain reports are true

[Boxcar]

In a way, LeBron retiring can't happen soon enough. The NBA is f***ing insufferable with how much power the players have. Why they are all picking to go to LA is beyond me. They haven't been good since Shaq left and seem to be very poorly run.