Why did these two rot in AAA while we constantly put in our teams' garbage?

[TheHurl]

At least we'll probably get something for Johnson even if he's not traded. Oliver, Rajai, and Boni will walk for nothing. Assuming we don't qualify Boni - f*** paying that useless sack of s*** $3+ million.

 

They should be looking to trade Rasmus as well. He's got enough value to bring us a young pitcher still in my mind. Gose comes up, we use Bonifacio or Rajai (obviously you wouldn't trade one of them) as back up this year and then next year you look for our own Craig Gentry (a CF that can hit lefties and play all 3 fields well), with Pillar as the minor league insurance. Fans won't like it but it's really one of the best baseball moves we can make at this point.

[GD]

+1

 

Lots of idiots here throwing AA under the bus.

 

I fully realize the can of worms I'm probably opening with this, but I feel like a s*** disturber tonight.

 

Why are people idiots for throwing a general manager - who is so inefficient at assembling starting pitcher depth that Esmil Rogers is spot starting - under the bus?

[GD]

They should be looking to trade Rasmus as well. He's got enough value to bring us a young pitcher still in my mind.

 

I know a couple Mariners fans and I don't think there's a single one of them that wouldn't do a Colby Rasmus for Nick Franklin or James Paxton swap.

[TheHurl]

I will be quite upset if Perez or Wagner are sent down after stellar season debuts. We have Dickey on the mound tomorrow. Cecil, Delabar, Loup fresh for tomorrow. The roster move that should be made is Redmond being sent out for Negrych. I understand you have to DFA someone but Redmond was only going to be used if he absolutely had to. I don't even want them to think about bringing back McGowan until the deadline for an injured pitcher to be activated. Crawford, Redmond, Romero, Storey, Weber, and Gomez are all excellent DFA candidates.

 

First of all Negrych shouldn't be added at all. That just causes even more of a roster pinch. If there is any thought of him having a chance to stick with this team as a utility guy you have to do it later in the year or after making deals at the deadline. As for the rest of it, when you have essentially a 3 man rotation right now, you have to save the pen. You do that by employing guys that have options, and after an outing (even a good one) you send them down and bring up fresh guy from the minors. Then he has to stay there for 10 days, time it well and bring him back up. Right now Thad, Crawford and Wagner are the only expendable arms with options. They will probably go back and forth until we have something close to 5 real starters again. You also use DFA candidates to get spot starts until then. It's not the best way to get back into contention but it's the team we have.

[Chappy]

Perez is just a disaster waiting to happen. Wagner on the other hand looks promising.

[itsawrap]

Perez is just a disaster waiting to happen. Wagner on the other hand looks promising.

 

Agreed. As good as he was tonight, he's an implosion waiting to happen in my opinion. A lot of these guys that AA has brought up have actually been decent for a couple outings before getting devastated. Our bullpen hasn't been the problem so far anyway. What's the market right now for a serviceable starter? I'm sure guys like Ramon Ortiz isn't the optimal choice in terms of cheap contracts.

 

I guess we just gotta wait out the carousal until our guys come back.

[admin]

wow...the hatred for AA is too funny....AA does not use anyone in close games...john gibbons does. Who's rotting??..it's not even June.....there's lots of reason's why players are brought up and sent down..it's not like we sat on terrible relievers for several months..GM's make decisions..sometimes they are right..sometimes they are wrong. You'd think guys like storey and weber had been here for months by reading your post, but then you go the stats and see they both pitched less than 4 innings for the jays this year..lol...rotting...too funny.

 

Didn't know I had to dumb it down for you to explain AA doesn't make the game decisions. Storey and Weber were here long enough to blow atleast one game off the top of my head, which is more than enough. Sorry if I'm not excited for a guy who had a 4.20ERA last year, when we have a guy who struck out 30 in 20IP, giving up 10H.

[admin]

Perez is just a disaster waiting to happen. Wagner on the other hand looks promising.

 

Yeah, I made sure I noted I'm sure he will, but better to give him a chance than some of the other crap being ran out there.

[Caper]

Perez is just a disaster waiting to happen. Wagner on the other hand looks promising.

 

Yeah, I made sure I noted I'm sure he will, but better to give him a chance than some of the other crap being ran out there.

 

Why? I am legitimately asking the question. His stuff looked soooo dirty. But yet, he is basically a career minor leaguer. Look at he season he has put up in Buffalo. 0.86 era, small sample, but well below career norms. Do you expect him to completely lose control at some point? Get hit hard? Both? Or could ha have changed something?

[TheHurl]

Well we absolutely need another position player. So if not Negrych then who?

 

Goins

[ElNik2013]

SSS yes, but both these guys have had great numbers in AAA. Yet they sit down there while AA gets his flavor of the week, throws them in close games, they bomb, and he gets rid of them.

I'm sure Perez will have some control problems with 4.5 BB/9, but man, he has some filthy stuff, and was on today.

 

 

 

Because AA promised Buffalo a good team.

[CHRIS]

If these guys keep it up, AA may be able to package them for a true veteran reliever. Imagine the stories Heath Bell could tell.

[GD]

If these guys keep it up, AA may be able to package them for a true veteran reliever. Imagine the stories Heath Bell could tell.

 

Heath Bell is actually putting up a super solid season last I checked.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Why? I am legitimately asking the question. His stuff looked soooo dirty. But yet, he is basically a career minor leaguer. Look at he season he has put up in Buffalo. 0.86 era, small sample, but well below career norms. Do you expect him to completely lose control at some point? Get hit hard? Both? Or could ha have changed something?

 

Good stuff but can't throw strikes. If he can get into a groove where he can consistently command everything he might go on a good 20-30 inning run for them.

 

He clearly shouldn't be DFA'd. Give him a chance until he blows up and then dump him.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Heath Bell is actually putting up a super solid season last I checked.

 

3.92ERA/ 1.452WHIP

 

9M per year

 

Awful

[GD]

3.92ERA/ 1.452WHIP

 

9M per year

 

Awful

 

2.48 xFIP

 

Peripherals sexier than Kate Upton

 

Pretty ridiculous

[HERPDERP]

Calm down guys. These guys pitched against the team that leads the league in K's. Even that K against Justin Upton was on a ball outside, should have been a walk.

[G-Snarls]

If these guys keep it up, AA may be able to package them for a true veteran reliever. Imagine the stories Heath Bell could tell.

 

Another overpaid player the Marlins dumped??? AA is all over that...

[Angrioter]

Juan Perez loves the Braves

 

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=16780987

 

Juan Perez just needs a compass.

[admin]

Why? I am legitimately asking the question. His stuff looked soooo dirty. But yet, he is basically a career minor leaguer. Look at he season he has put up in Buffalo. 0.86 era, small sample, but well below career norms. Do you expect him to completely lose control at some point? Get hit hard? Both? Or could ha have changed something?

 

His stuff is filthy. I think there's so much movement, and add his jerky motion, it's hard to be consistent with control. As Hurl or someone mentioned, last year in his short stint in the majors he walked a batter an inning (or close).

 

Calm down guys. These guys pitched against the team that leads the league in K's. Even that K against Justin Upton was on a ball outside, should have been a walk.

 

Wouldn't have mattered who he faced last night.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

In regards to Negrych... What does it take for a player to get full health coverage for the rest of their life, one appearnace in the bigs?

 

I thought I read that somewhere before.

 

Get this man some health insurance!!!

[btmi]

So no one's giving Anthopoulos credit for pickings these guys off the scrap heaps?

[Angrioter]

Perez should stay until he walk one by inning

 

Bandwagon

http://i.imgur.com/CX7clmc.gif

[Rajaifailedgrade1]

So no one's giving Anthopoulos credit for pickings these guys off the scrap heaps?

 

No because he's also picked up s*** like Thad Webber, Eveland, Jeffries, David Pauley, Jesse Chavez, Aaron Laffey etc...

[G-Snarls]

In regards to Negrych... What does it take for a player to get full health coverage for the rest of their life, one appearnace in the bigs?

 

I thought I read that somewhere before.

 

Get this man some health insurance!!!

 

ObamaCare!!!

[o2cui2i]

ObamaCare!!!

 

bringing him up makes way too much sense for it to happen.

[o2cui2i]

ObamaCare!!!

 

and that's a misnomer. Obama doesn't give a s***.

[TheHurl]

So no one's giving Anthopoulos credit for pickings these guys off the scrap heaps?

 

no because they could become the best relievers on the team and he still doesn't have room to keep them (while this isn't 100% true, at a minimum we'd be paying someone else to not play eating up their value)

[o2cui2i]

no because they could become the best relievers on the team and he still doesn't have room to keep them (while this isn't 100% true, at a minimum we'd be paying someone else to not play eating up their value)

 

one outing a star does not make. the band wagon is getting silly again.

[admin]

For the record, my post wasn't saying they are anything special after one outing, I was just saying they were doing great in AAA, and deserved a chance much sooner, rather than collecting other teams garbage.