Post Game Thread: May 9, 2013. Toronto 4 - 5 Tampa Bay

[Chappy]

 

he gets paid 5M a year, go away troll

Tommy Milone gets paid 495K

 

Do you see the problem now?

 

 

Check your inbox.

[GeorgiaPeach]

it wasnt a matter of rest or saving him for future games, it was about saving him for this game in case a save opportunity arose later. So we werent forced to use Lincoln as a closer

 

Kinda like the game where the Jays were down by a run to the Yankees a few years ago and sent Johnny f***ing McDonald to the plate in the 9th with two outs, expecting some offensive contribution on a non-Fathers Day game and leaving Randy Ruiz on the bench. Why, because if the Jays had've tied the game and gone to extras they may have had a weird defensive alignment.

 

OMG, we can't have that happen.

[GeorgiaPeach]

huhh? how do you get that? CJ has been the best and most consistent player on this team

 

Then you use him. You don't wait for a f***ing save opportunity.

 

Hypothetical situation. Say you have the consensus best closer in all of baseball and one year the team never/rarely has a save chance. Does that mean you rarely use the guy who's been identified as the closer?

 

That's a dumb fans way of looking at the situation.

[LGBJ29]

Kinda like the game where the Jays were down by a run to the Yankees a few years ago and sent Johnny f***ing McDonald to the plate in the 9th with two outs, expecting some offensive contribution on a non-Fathers Day game and leaving Randy Ruiz on the bench. Why, because if the Jays had've tied the game and gone to extras they may have had a weird defensive alignment.

 

OMG, we can't have that happen.

 

Yeah i understand your point, I was just saying Gibbons non-use of Janssen tonight had nothing to do with the red sox series

[o2cui2i]

Then you use him. You don't wait for a f***ing save opportunity.

 

Hypothetical situation. Say you have the consensus best closer in all of baseball and one year the team never/rarely has a save chance. Does that mean you rarely use the guy who's been identified as the closer?

 

That's a dumb fans way of looking at the situation.

 

you get him into as many leverage "game on the line situations" as you. who know, maybe that attitude gets you some more important saves later in the year???

[GeorgiaPeach]

What? So you prefer to use Lincoln with the game on the line and save our best reliever to start off a fresh inning with significantly less pressure? That is losing logic right there.

 

It's idiot logic Vik.

[Chappy]

Let's assume Jansen was brought in and he got out of the inning. Let's say we score a run and then Lincoln is ran out there for the save opportunity. Regardless of the outcome,most baseball people would be laughing at Gibby prior to the inning starting. Managers will not use their closers in a tie game on the road because of the fear of a blown save occurring from the non closer,especially the likes of Lincoln. Yes Cecil was also available. Mathematically over a larger sample size,you will lose more often when using your closer on the road in a tie game.

 

So tell me this, does Janssen probably get us out of that inning and give us a chance to win? If the answer is yes then that call just blew us the game. If the answer is no, then Janssen isn't good enough to be the closer.

 

As for mathematically, please provide a source proving such claims.

 

I would like to know what the probability of Janssen saving that game was after Lincoln already blew it compared to Lincolns chances after Janssen probably gets us out of the inning.

[Chappy]

It's idiot logic Vik.

 

I am dumfounded right now. It's better to save Janssen for a save opp that never comes? Old school management just cost us this game old school style.

[Arkadium]

Jays 29th w/ RISP.... CHEERS! That's .204 AVG, only behind the Cubbies.

[Nox]

Let's assume Jansen was brought in and he got out of the inning. Let's say we score a run and then Lincoln is ran out there for the save opportunity. Regardless of the outcome,most baseball people would be laughing at Gibby prior to the inning starting. Managers will not use their closers in a tie game on the road because of the fear of a blown save occurring from the non closer,especially the likes of Lincoln. Yes Cecil was also available. Mathematically over a larger sample size,you will lose more often when using your closer on the road in a tie game.

 

This is literally all wrong.

 

You use your best pitchers in the highest leverage situations you can. Bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th in a tie game is much higher leverage than your average save opp in extra innings.

 

Don't go quoting "Math" when you clearly haven't done it or read any research on the matter.

[crrr]

Let's assume Jansen was brought in and he got out of the inning. Let's say we score a run and then Lincoln is ran out there for the save opportunity. Regardless of the outcome,most baseball people would be laughing at Gibby prior to the inning starting. Managers will not use their closers in a tie game on the road because of the fear of a blown save occurring from the non closer,especially the likes of Lincoln. Yes Cecil was also available. Mathematically over a larger sample size,you will lose more often when using your closer on the road in a tie game.

 

 

You're putting way too much into Lincoln being blown up the next inning, chances are they would use somebody else. In a bases loaded scenario you really want to start looking at who is likely to be hit. You do raise the possibility that putting in new pitchers to bases loaded rarely works out, in that situation it may be true that its best to go with Lincoln. However, the Jays have a few relievers capable of having clean innings at all points in the game, and so if Janssen, who is a much superior reliever is comfortable in that situation to perform to his abilities (especially better than Lincoln, who obviously was not fit to handle it). They would also have the possibility of a second inning of Janssen, if they do score a run.

[GD]

Hey! You're missing someone....

 

Joonel f***ing sucks, sorry bro

[Metallijay]

rasmus 3 more k's, cannot hot a low breaking ball to save his lfie, everytime pitches throw him the same pitch he never adjusts.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Jays 29th w/ RISP.... CHEERS! That's .204 AVG, only behind the Cubbies.

 

That's what happens when you get a jack happy lineup. They don't care about base hits or moving runners. Its all about how can I be a hero.

[fatcowxlive]

hit off a pitcher who never should have been in the game.

 

how about we talk about him not making a single play right to let the jays come back from a 7-0 deficit? Escobar single handily ( no pun intended) gave the jays that win.

 

with escobar you can get good, bad or really Fing ugly.

 

His hand wasn't going to be 100% until Wednesday as reported by the rays, his glove hand. That's why he couldn't squeeze the glove on Monday

[Arkadium]

That's what happens when you get a jack happy lineup. They don't care about base hits or moving runners. Its all about how can I be a hero.

 

It has looked this way, everyone wants to be a hero... especially guys like Lawrie, Rasmus, Boni, Rajai...

[dineke]

Paul Beeston on Fan590 saying that they'll continue to push forward and not move back. Probably means that they'll sell the rest of the farm at the deadline. lawls

[Angrioter]

Paul Beeston on Fan590 saying that they'll continue to push forward and not move back. Probably means that they'll sell the rest of the farm at the deadline. lawls

 

Sean Nolin + Christina Lopes for Kevin "CY" Slowey

Aaron Sanchez + Anthony Gose for Utley

[Metallijay]

Jays 29th w/ RISP.... CHEERS! That's .204 AVG, only behind the Cubbies.

 

THIS, so much this is the single most frustrating aspect of this team, you cannot win if you keep failing to bring runners on base home, it's been a major issue and frustrating to watch other teams be way better at it by simply being smart and changing this approach based on situation.

[Angrioter]

Stroman + Smoral for Bud Norris + Marwin Gonzalez

 

 

Stroman + Smoral was drafted last june, they can't be traded until after june 2013

 

Lawrie + McGuire for Bud Norris + Marwin Gonzalez

DeRosa every day 3B

[Angrioter]

Right, they'll be traded at the deadline. Don't forget we'd also need to get WBC hero Pete Orr in any deal with the Phillies.

 

Slowey is my man

 

Aaron Sanchez for Slowey is a great deal

[Angrioter]

What hard-throwing righty reliever with no control do you think AA will trade for? My money's on Rhiner Cruz.

 

+1

 

Rhiner Cruz three-digit fastball and nothing more..He fits in the AA model.

[Angrioter]

What hard-throwing righty reliever with no control do you think AA will trade for? My money's on Rhiner Cruz.

 

what about hard-throwing RP + Canadian?

 

Aumont + Utley for Sanchez, Nolin, Stroman, Gose and Aj Jimenez

[Angrioter]

Throw Pete Orr and Tyson Gillies in there too and give the Phillies Bonifacio.

 

Aumont, Orr, Lawrie, Gillies would probably be the largest collection of Canadians ever assembled, the marketing department (which runs the team) would have a field day.

 

So many dominicans in the same team, Jays need more Canadians.

Morneau + Doumit for EE + Boni

[Stangstag]

Throw Pete Orr and Tyson Gillies in there too and give the Phillies Bonifacio.

 

Aumont, Orr, Lawrie, Gillies would probably be the largest collection of Canadians ever assembled, the marketing department (which runs the team) would have a field day.

 

I know that you guys are just joking around, but a trade like this probably has a good chance of actually happening. It is actually sad how far AA has fallen.

[JohnnyLonghorn]

With the Rays only needing a single hit to win the game, I bring in the best option I have period. You play to win games not for meaningless stats.

 

I agree 100%

[GD]

Stroman + Smoral was drafted last june, they can't be traded until after june 2013

 

Lawrie + McGuire for Bud Norris + Marwin Gonzalez

DeRosa every day 3B

 

Just to be a nitpicking ass, they can be named as PTBNL.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Kinda like the game where the Jays were down by a run to the Yankees a few years ago and sent Johnny f***ing McDonald to the plate in the 9th with two outs, expecting some offensive contribution on a non-Fathers Day game and leaving Randy Ruiz on the bench. Why, because if the Jays had've tied the game and gone to extras they may have had a weird defensive alignment.

 

OMG, we can't have that happen.

 

I remember that game VIVIDLY and I was SO ANGRY when Mac wasn't pinch hit for.

 

I remember most of the board actually being ok with the non-PH there though.

[Arkadium]

Why is Rajai Davis in that list?

 

Because Rajai is not a team player, he just goes up their hacking... and swinging for the fences when his job is to get the f*** OB.

[Arkadium]

Rajai picked up two hits yesterday and manufactured a run all by himself. He's one of the most useful bench players in baseball. I love him, he's great at what he does.

 

That's nice, I hate him. For every 1 great thing he does, he does 9 things to f*** you.