Ortiz possibly starting in Boston

[digiblader]

Ramon Ortiz was actually pitching well in Buffalo--he can't be any worse than Romero. He actually had good numbers with the Railriders and the Bison last year and this year..he's been getting better with age, even if it's in AAA.

 

Look, at least Ortiz has pitched more innings in the MLB than Ricky Romero this year. There's a good chance he can give us at least 5 innings.

[GD]

Ramon Ortiz was actually pitching well in Buffalo--he can't be any worse than Romero. He actually had good numbers with the Railriders and the Bison last year and this year..he's been getting better with age, even if it's in AAA.

 

Look, at least Ortiz has pitched more innings in the MLB than Ricky Romero this year. There's a good chance he can give us at least 5 innings.

 

Oh my f*** don't you DARE spin this into a positive.

[digiblader]

Ramon Ortiz's AAA numbers FYI:

 

2012: 13-6, 3.45 ERA, 1.21 WHIP

2013 (so far): 2-0, 1.065 WHIP, 2.18 ERA

 

Shocking the Yankees didn't give him a shot last year..

[digiblader]

And who do you suggest we bring in to pitch? Vargas, Bush and Germano are trash--although I would've considered Nolin, Jenkins or Tepera.

[Olerud363]

I certainly don't mean to troll. Since Pat Gillick left it's been like ground hog day. Every season dissapoints in it's own way. The organization seems to be behind it's rivals in terms of progressive baseball thinking. The same characters always seem to be involved somehow. Beeston, Gaston, Buck Martinez, John Gibbons and I like John Gibbons... but he is now one of those reoccurring characters now. The team on base percentage is always in the bottom half. The Canadian assistant GM takes over as GM and is going to outscout the world (Gord Ash or AA?? same story). The pitching is sometimes good, sometimes not. They're never bad enough to get a real good draft pick.

 

I mean we just aquired a former cy young award winner and are losing like crazy anyway... Is it 95 when we got Cone?? Or is it 1997 when we got Clemens?? No it's 2013. But it feels like those years. Fair or not I've just come to think of the front office as incompetent. It's not just this year, it's a 20 year thing, with this year just representing patterns that I've seen before.

[Olerud363]

Given everything that happened. I mean. There are no good choices.

 

But it's absolutely mind boggling that after all this, raising the payroll to 120 million and trading all the prospects we arrive at Ramon Ortiz.

 

I'd just like to see Nolin, or Tepara. Or stretching Loup. The season is such a dissapointment, just don't want to see anyone else pitching that is older than I am.

[Boxcar]

Tough to blame AA on this one, he probably thought he was getting 21-game winner Russ Ortiz, who we may still see this season.

 

Even if this isn't a case of mistaken identity, Ramon Ortiz did have a 2.18 ERA in AAA.

[Boxcar]

Ramon Ortiz was actually pitching well in Buffalo--he can't be any worse than Romero. He actually had good numbers with the Railriders and the Bison last year and this year..he's been getting better with age, even if it's in AAA.

 

Look, at least Ortiz has pitched more innings in the MLB than Ricky Romero this year. There's a good chance he can give us at least 5 innings.

 

Yeah, he was pitching really well to the tune of a FIP over 6 with a 100% LOB. Are you retarded? Please go away forever.

[Boxcar]

Just more trolling from the raysjays/high85 freakshow.

 

Too bad, thought I could avoid this retard now that we've switched to this forum.

[ErrorcebiaPassedBall]

Time to start stretching out Casey...

[CHRIS]

Good org decision. You only move to a four-man rotation when you've got a guy like Ramon Ortiz to work with. Don't see how this can possibly not work out.

[G-Snarls]

What blows is we're hitting now but getting crap starting pitching

 

Would it be too much to ask for one of these starters to steal a game with 7-8 innings of 0 or 1 run ball once in a blue moon???

[CHRIS]

Would it be too much to ask for one of these starters to steal a game with 7-8 innings of 0 or 1 run ball once in a blue moon???

 

This is what is baffling to me. You'd think the planets would align at some point and allow us a dominant pitching performance.

[GD]

So, Ortiz didn't pitch last night, and now, tonight, he's starting versus the Boston f***ing Red Sox. Ramon f***ing Ortiz.

 

I'm placing the O/U on 7 runs. We're so f***ed.

[G-Snarls]

So, Ortiz didn't pitch last night, and now, tonight, he's starting versus the Boston f***ing Red Sox. Ramon f***ing Ortiz.

 

I'm placing the O/U on 7 runs. We're so f***ed.

 

Watch him pitch our first CG shutout of the season or something ridiculous.

[G-Snarls]

It's not likely of course. But nothing would surprise me this season. Nothing.

[Olerud363]

Watch him pitch our first CG shutout of the season or something ridiculous.

 

Sometimes good things are bad. Like if there was a scenario where Ramon Ortiz pitched 120 innings it would have to start obviously with him hot. So he pitches 7 innings of shut out today earns some more starts. Starts getting run support and all of a sudden is 5-1. AA is so smart... what do we know?? Jays are hot. Within 6 of the sox. And Ortiz gets more and more starts through the constant injuries. Ever so slowly begins to slip. Then gets pounded a few times. By September he's 6-10 5.80. And you're like how did happen?? How does an organization give Ramon Ortiz 20 starts?? Jays are 76-86 18 games back, 14 out of 2nd wild card, 12th overall pick, same show next year.

 

It begins here Ramon Ortiz 7 shut out innings.

[Arkadium]

Sometimes good things are bad. Like if there was a scenario where Ramon Ortiz pitched 120 innings it would have to start obviously with him hot. So he pitches 7 innings of shut out today earns some more starts. Starts getting run support and all of a sudden is 5-1. AA is so smart... what do we know?? Jays are hot. Within 6 of the sox. And Ortiz gets more and more starts through the constant injuries. Ever so slowly begins to slip. Then gets pounded a few times. By September he's 6-10 5.80. And you're like how did happen?? How does an organization give Ramon Ortiz 20 starts?? Jays are 76-86 18 games back, 14 out of 2nd wild card, 12th overall pick, same show next year.

 

It begins here Ramon Ortiz 7 shut out innings.

 

+1 - I can totally see this happening because of AA and his propensity for unqualified and uninformed decision making... I really do think AA never playing the game at a high level affects his ability to make strategic decisions that will improve the team.

 

He's an extremely good salesman, but is he anything else?

[Olerud363]

+1 - I can totally see this happening because of AA and his propensity for unqualified and uninformed decision making... I really do think AA never playing the game at a high level affects his ability to make strategic decisions that will improve the team.

 

He's an extremely good salesman, but is he anything else?

 

He's good at getting jobs and promotions. I mean you read this board and there are a few guys who scout games and it would seem to me they'd want to get inside somehow, I don't know if they do for sure. But that was AA 10 years ago, 15 years. A 20something watching Expos games, and he was driven to get on the inside from there. And obviously worked very hard... but I'm sure others work just as hard but get nowhere. So AA is obviously good at schmoozing and getting this type of job. He's good at impressing suits and reporters.

 

I mean Jeff Blair wrote a book about AA calling him the next Gillick, the Jesus-saviour of the Bue Jays. You don't get that kind of thing after a 76 win season, after proving nothing, unless you are very charismatic and can impress people.

 

So to your point that he didn't play the game at a high level. Good point. Compare him to Billy Beane, who played at a high level, and failed, and had scouts telling him his whole life he was a can't miss star... and the scouts were wrong. That was the whole point of money ball. Billy Beane dealt with scouts on a personal level, from a young age, and realized they weren't that good at predicting things.

 

I'm not against scouts. In this day and age you need a lot of scouts, because everyone has the same numbers. But the culture has to be such that numbers and anlytics are used to direct the scouts. And if you look at Beane compared to AA... it seems AA is much more reliant on the scouts. AA always says disjointed stuff like...

 

"And our scouts took a real good look at him and were real comfortable... they liked his makeup. They think the power is there. They think he will develop quickly. They thing he will age well. blah blah blah"

 

AA is always saying stuff like that. But Billy Beane doesn't, Beane played the game, heard stuff like that his whole life and takes it with a grain of salt.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Too bad, thought I could avoid this retard now that we've switched to this forum.

 

Isn't this the main f***ing reason a new forum was created?

[Rajaifailedgrade1]

We have no pitching depth we gotta use this guy in a pivotal series?

 

hahahahaha