The Prospect/Minor Leagues Thread

[Mikeleelop]

i notice a trend here. overestimate a prospect's talent level then when they get to MLB and don't meet those unreasonable expectations s*** all over them and say they are a failure

[metafour]

He doesn't have a put away pitch? He has 36 strikeouts in 34 innings what am I missing here!

 

You're missing the part where the actual stats he's putting up don't mean much.

[King]

He's 24. And good command with a solid fastball is good enough in AA. His secondary stuff is fine... But nothing special. I think that's the point.

 

We are talking about Shane Dawson here.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

You're missing the part where the actual stats he's putting up don't mean much.

 

Have you met the Stats Geeks here yet! Lol

 

Omg are they gonna have a talk with you, wait for it !

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Ahh. My bad.

 

I don't know much about Shane Dawson other than his numbers have been good and he's a Canuck. Mid-high 80's at 21 doesn't give me a lot of optimism...unless he's got some crazy movement, offspeed stuff, command...something to play up that below average FB.

 

Yes you are Bad, say your sorry! Lol

He is in the minors to Develop it that not the whole point of the minors?

He still young so no one after 21 improves ? Wtf really

[Mikeleelop]

He's a #5 right now. #3 if things work out.

 

a 24 year old pitcher in AA is a #5 now ?

[Mikeleelop]

Yes you are Bad, say your sorry! Lol

He is in the minors to Develop it that not the whole point of the minors?

He still young so no one after 21 improves ? Wtf really

 

according to many Sanchez is a lost cause

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

according to many Sanchez is a lost cause

 

Huh, you do know we are not talking about Shanchez ? That and I am not everybody, bigbounceyblueballs pleased to meet you!

[L54]

Wow

[metafour]

i notice a trend here. overestimate a prospect's talent level then when they get to MLB and don't meet those unreasonable expectations s*** all over them and say they are a failure

 

Boyd went from underrated to overrated really quickly. Don't get me wrong he's taken a step forward and now looks like a legitimate prospect, but lets not forget where we "started" from here. The fastball is nice, but his MLB upside is still as a replaceable back-end starter if he continues moving forward with no plus secondary pitch. You need an out pitch in the MLB, otherwise the hitters will simply eventually hit your fastball. He may be able to move his fastball around and dominate AA hitters, but that same approach is going to be a lot less effective against MLB hitters. The secondary problem is that he's a flyball pitcher, so while he's a guy who relies on his fastball, you can't even hope that he becomes a guy who can dominate by inducing a s***-ton of groundballs and weak contact.

 

He's a prospect, but now we're talking about him as a potential #3 starter? Really? A #3 starter is a good, above-average MLB starter. Dial the expectations back. Look at Kendall Graveman.

[King]

Boyd went from underrated to overrated really quickly. Don't get me wrong he's taken a step forward and now looks like a legitimate prospect, but lets not forget where we "started" from here. The fastball is nice, but his MLB upside is still as a replaceable back-end starter if he continues moving forward with no plus secondary pitch. You need an out pitch in the MLB, otherwise the hitters will simply eventually hit your fastball. He may be able to move his fastball around and dominate AA hitters, but that same approach is going to be a lot less effective against MLB hitters. The secondary problem is that he's a flyball pitcher, so while he's a guy who relies on his fastball, you can't even hope that he becomes a guy who can dominate by inducing a s***-ton of groundballs and weak contact.

 

He's a prospect, but now we're talking about him as a potential #3 starter? Really? A #3 starter is a good, above-average MLB starter. Dial the expectations back. Look at Kendall Graveman.

 

You misread what JFaS said. He's a #3 if "things work out". As in, if improves his secondary pitches. Not that unreasonable of a statement.

[metafour]

He's a #3 if "things work out". As in, if improves his secondary pitches. Not that unreasonable of a statement.

 

He's a 24 year old who spent four years at a top collegiate program....why would you expect him to all of a sudden develop a plus secondary pitch? "If things work out" is a nice statement, but it doesn't carry a lot of weight when it is dependent on factors that are highly unlikely to occur. Anthony Gose is an All-Star CF "if things work out"...but that would require him to all of a sudden learn to develop significantly improved contact and pitch recognition skills, which given what we know about him, is at best a pipe-dream scenario.

 

Boyd isn't a late-bloomer or a guy who just didn't have the coaching/attention needed to develop. If he hasn't learned to spin a plus breaking ball by now, it probably isn't going to happen.

[King]

He's a 24 year old who spent four years at a top collegiate program....why would you expect him to all of a sudden develop a plus secondary pitch? "If things work out" is a nice statement, but it doesn't carry a lot of weight when it is dependent on factors that are highly unlikely to occur. Anthony Gose is an All-Star CF "if things work out"...but that would require him to all of a sudden learn to develop significantly improved contact and pitch recognition skills, which given what we know about him, is at best a pipe-dream scenario.

 

Boyd isn't a late-bloomer or a guy who just didn't have the coaching/attention needed to develop. If he hasn't learned to spin a plus breaking ball by now, it probably isn't going to happen.

 

I never said he was going to. Nobody ever said they expected him to, either. That's if he ever does and he reaches his max potential. Lots of players never reach their max potential.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

I never said he was going to. Nobody ever said they expected him to, either. That's if he ever does and he reaches his max potential. Lots of players never reach their max potential.

 

King what's crazy is the statement was made about Shane Dawson but some think we are talking Boyd and Shanchez!

 

So much for reading, thinking before you speak! Lol

[King]

King what's crazy is the statement was made about Shane Dawson but some think we are talking Boyd and Shanchez!

 

So much for reading, thinking before you speak! Lol

 

JFaS statement was about Boyd.

[metafour]

I never said he was going to. Nobody ever said they expected him to, either. That's if he ever does and he reaches his max potential. Lots of players never reach their max potential.

 

Did you even read what I said?

 

If it isn't likely or expected to happen, then why even bring it up? At that point you're not even talking about "max potential", you're simply hypothesizing on fantasy.

[King]

Did you even read what I said?

 

If it isn't likely or expected to happen, then why even bring it up? At that point you're not even talking about "max potential", you're simply hypothesizing on fantasy.

 

No I stopped reading after you mentioned Anthony Gose.

[Spanky99]

No I stopped reading after you mentioned Anthony Gose.

 

lol

[Mikeleelop]

Huh, you do know we are not talking about Shanchez ? That and I am not everybody, bigbounceyblueballs pleased to meet you!

 

I am merely pointing out to everyone that often there is a "fetish" by many on this board for the next great prospect. But when that prospect struggles when first exposed to MLB that kid is lost, never to improve or adjust. I am sure you are familiar with all the Sanchez threads on this board. He has two above average MLB quality pitches. He is 22 years old. he struggles with command/control. he may improve, he may not - but he has a greater chance of that compared to the chance Dawson can develop MLB quality stuff from where he sits at 21 years old..

 

but people on this board like to forget about all the tough times that prospects will face when they come up against MLB quality competition. Saying Boyd has #3 upside is ridiculous. A stud like Hoffman with 97+mph fastball and above average curve is only projected (by most) to be a future 2.

[tercet]

Hendriks>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Boyd

 

As I have been saying for a month itt please stop over estimating Boyd.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Sure soon as everyone chills! Underestimating the body of work by Rookies performances to date as well! Let's just call it a draw, it's neither as bad or good as either side claims it is! It is just what it is! Live with it, Bitches! Lol

[King]

JD Davis had another huge day, 3/4 with a home run, 4 runs scored and a walk

 

Urena continues to struggle, going 0/5 (but with no strikeouts)

[Nafro]

http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150514&content_id=124127618&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb

 

Well let's build some hype on a prospect.

[Daniel Labude]

http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150514&content_id=124127618&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb

 

Well let's build some hype on a prospect.

 

Imagine if he didn't want to play football the last few years

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

JFaS statement was about Boyd.

 

You sure? Cyborg please clarify your actions! Lol

[L54]

No I stopped reading after you mentioned Anthony Gose.

 

But isn't what he said true?

 

Stop being a little bitch and have a conversation with someone. He isn't being irrational, his points are valid and you just run from the conversation.

 

It isn't absurd to think that a guy who spent four years at the D1 level didn't receive the same if not better instruction at school than he did in the lower minors. Now at 24, the odds he develops an out pitch that make him a #3 are against him.

 

His Anthony Gose reference wasn't far off. Gose is only ~6 months older than Boyd. If Gose happened to better his plate discipline it's not unreasonable to think he's a 2-3 WAR center fielder.

[L54]

You sure? Cyborg please clarify your actions! Lol

 

It was.

[Deadpool]

You sure? Cyborg please clarify your actions! Lol

 

I was under the impression that JFaS had removed every last vestige of his humanity and was full on android now...

[RIPEXPOS]

Anyone still gonna argue me that Trea Turner shouldnt have been picked instead if Pentecost?

[z3r0s]

I like Trea (drafted him in two dynasty leagues), but he's not without his warts.