The Prospect/Minor Leagues Thread

[Sammy225]

Still waiting on Jimenez to come back down to earth lol

[DuckDuckGose]

MILB Recap is going up soon, sorry for the delay

 

Unacceptable!

[DuckDuckGose]

Still waiting on Jimenez to come back down to earth lol

 

Aint going to happen, too much talent haha

[beachbum]

Wow, I just noticed that Carlos Perez is in triple a!

[Caper]

Beyond some residual steroid effects, Melky doesn't have anything Pillar doesn't have.

 

Hit tool? Equal.

Speed? Advantage Pillar.

Defense? Equal.

Arm? Equal.

Power? Equal.

 

Their defense is not even close to equal. Pillar has wayyyy better range. Can almost play a passable mlb center field. In fact he probably could. I think he has a bunch of assists this year as well.

[Caper]

Wow, I just noticed that Carlos Perez is in triple a!

 

Well, he's really in AA. It's just the Astro's triple A team is in Houston.

[beachbum]

Haha true story!

[Angrioter]

Franklin 2-3 (.476)

error #4

[TheHurl]

"I think you greatly underestimate the jump in skill level from AA to AAA"

It's funny. When Pillar was raking in A+ and HJM was stinking up AA, people said that the jump to AA was the toughest of them all.

Then when Pillar was raking AA, and Gose was stinking up AAA, people said the jump to AAA was the toughest of them all.

And now that Pillar is raking AAA (I know it's SSS, but you don't get four doubles in a game by luck), now it's the jump to MLB that's the toughest.

 

Beyond some residual steroid effects, Melky doesn't have anything Pillar doesn't have.

 

Hit tool? Equal.

Speed? Advantage Pillar.

Defense? Equal.

Arm? Equal.

Power? Equal.

 

Still hard to say how his bat is going to translate, I've been advocating him being a future platoon partner for Gose. Pillar kills lefties and fits into the 4th OF role well (if his CF defense is passable). One thing is certain he takes a spot on the 40 man (Sierra is done as he's out of options) or is traded this year.

[Deadpool]

well, he's really in aa. It's just the astro's triple a team is in houston.

 

heyo!

[John_Havok]

"I think you greatly underestimate the jump in skill level from AA to AAA"

It's funny. When Pillar was raking in A+ and HJM was stinking up AA, people said that the jump to AA was the toughest of them all.

Then when Pillar was raking AA, and Gose was stinking up AAA, people said the jump to AAA was the toughest of them all.

And now that Pillar is raking AAA (I know it's SSS, but you don't get four doubles in a game by luck), now it's the jump to MLB that's the toughest.

 

Actually nobody said any of that. And the jump to the majors is the hardest jump. Anyone who argues otherwise is pulling s*** out of their ass. Maybe you heard it from Tabler

[John_Havok]

Hit tool? Equal.

Speed? Advantage Pillar.

Defense? Equal.

Arm? Equal.

Power? Equal.

 

Melky Cabrera at 24. 4th year in the majors.

Pillar at 24. Total of 353 PA at AA and higher, only 26 of which are at AAA.

 

Yep very equal

[Caper]

Still hard to say how his bat is going to translate, I've been advocating him being a future platoon partner for Gose. Pillar kills lefties and fits into the 4th OF role well (if his CF defense is passable). One thing is certain he takes a spot on the 40 man (Sierra is done as he's out of options) or is traded this year.

 

He has another double again already tonight. Maybe he won't be anything... but what I don't get is why no body really likes him.... He was like 15th in our board rankings... behind guys like Sean Nolin and Christian Lobes and Anthony Alford.... I don't get it... Maybe I really don't get it.

[John_Havok]

He has another double again already tonight. Maybe he won't be anything... but what I don't get is why no body really likes him.... He was like 15th in our board rankings... behind guys like Sean Nolin and Christian Lobes and Anthony Alford.... I don't get it... Maybe I really don't get it.

 

Re-read this thread and there's plenty of legitimate points raised.

[Abomination]

Anyone know what happened to Jenkins today?

[AdamGreenwood]

I'm not trying to compare their career timelines, nor do I assume that every player starts at the same baseline and progresses equally each year.

Yes, Melky made it to MLB at age 20. That hardly puts him in the same category as the average 20 year old MLB hitter.

Surely, you're not going to set Melky's talent level in stone, based on his age of reaching MLB. Don't know if you've noticed but other than his steroid year, he's a pretty average player.

 

And again, I reiterate, the reason 24 year olds that haven't played MLB aren't that exciting, is because usually they've taken six years to get to AAA.

In Pillar's case, he's only been playing pro-ball for 2.5 years, so his ceiling has not been reached yet.

 

And you're right that Pillar has very little AAA experience, but there is a consistent pattern. He never has any difficulty with promotions, unlike the super-prospects that you guys drool over like Gose and Marisnick.

[imsorry4beatinU]

"I think you greatly underestimate the jump in skill level from AA to AAA"

It's funny. When Pillar was raking in A+ and HJM was stinking up AA, people said that the jump to AA was the toughest of them all.

Then when Pillar was raking AA, and Gose was stinking up AAA, people said the jump to AAA was the toughest of them all.

And now that Pillar is raking AAA (I know it's SSS, but you don't get four doubles in a game by luck), now it's the jump to MLB that's the toughest.

 

Beyond some residual steroid effects, Melky doesn't have anything Pillar doesn't have.

 

Hit tool? Equal.

Speed? Advantage Pillar.

Defense? Equal.

Arm? Equal.

Power? Equal.

 

We are finally getting the Adam Greenwood special

[John_Havok]

I'm not trying to compare their career timelines, nor do I assume that every player starts at the same baseline and progresses equally each year.

Yes, Melky made it to MLB at age 20. That hardly puts him in the same category as the average 20 year old MLB hitter.

Surely, you're not going to set Melky's talent level in stone, based on his age of reaching MLB. Don't know if you've noticed but other than his steroid year, he's a pretty average player.

 

And again, I reiterate, the reason 24 year olds that haven't played MLB aren't that exciting, is because usually they've taken six years to get to AAA.

In Pillar's case, he's only been playing pro-ball for 2.5 years, so his ceiling has not been reached yet.

 

And you're right that Pillar has very little AAA experience, but there is a consistent pattern. He never has any difficulty with promotions, unlike the super-prospects that you guys drool over like Gose and Marisnick.

 

I've already stated repeatedly that I think Pillar will make the majors and be a contributor, but not as a regular long term.

[DuckDuckGose]

I'm not trying to compare their career timelines, nor do I assume that every player starts at the same baseline and progresses equally each year.

Yes, Melky made it to MLB at age 20. That hardly puts him in the same category as the average 20 year old MLB hitter.

Surely, you're not going to set Melky's talent level in stone, based on his age of reaching MLB. Don't know if you've noticed but other than his steroid year, he's a pretty average player.

 

And again, I reiterate, the reason 24 year olds that haven't played MLB aren't that exciting, is because usually they've taken six years to get to AAA.

In Pillar's case, he's only been playing pro-ball for 2.5 years, so his ceiling has not been reached yet.

 

And you're right that Pillar has very little AAA experience, but there is a consistent pattern. He never has any difficulty with promotions, unlike the super-prospects that you guys drool over like Gose and Marisnick.

 

24 isn't old for AAA, we all loved d'Arnaud and he's 24 in AAA, Mike Olt is 24 in AAA, Jackie Bradley was 23 in AAA, Rendon was 23 in AAA, Wheeler was 23 in AAA this year, Hultzen is 23 in AAA, Billy Hamilton and Trevor Bauer will be 23 in AAA next year.

 

Pillar has a shot if his speed continues to play, keeps the K's down and maintains his gap-to-gap power. He doesn't have star upside though.

[flafson]

We should really be aiming at home grown rather than trade everyone, it's the most cost effective and best way to stay at the top level. Just make sure we spend enough money on coaches to give them the best possible chance.

[ace3113]

So updates from todays GCL game which we just lost in extra innings.

 

Alford 1-4 1r 1bb 1so 1sb .227

Barreto 0-5 1so .385

Jansen 0-1 3r 4bb .333

Dupont 2-4 1r 3rbi 1(2b) 1bb 1so 1sb .286

De Aza 1-2 1rbi 1so .300

 

Lietz 2.1ip 2h 2r 2bb 4so

Greene 2ip 1h 0r 1bb 2so

Smoral 0.1ip 0h 1r 3bb 0so

[imsorry4beatinU]

So updates from todays GCL game which we just lost in extra innings.

 

Alford 1-4 1r 1bb 1so 1sb .227

Barreto 0-5 1so .385

Jansen 0-1 3r 4bb .333

Dupont 2-4 1r 3rbi 1(2b) 1bb 1so 1sb .286

De Aza 1-2 1rbi 1so .300

 

Lietz 2.1ip 2h 2r 2bb 4so

Greene 2ip 1h 0r 1bb 2so

Smoral 0.1ip 0h 1r 3bb 0so

 

Bust:)

[imsorry4beatinU]

Anyone know what happened to Jenkins today?

 

tightness in right shoulder. Shi just tweeted it

[GD]

Jansen had 4 f***ing walks. Jesus.

 

I don't think that's a pre-draft deal, as the draft had started and it wasn't an extended negotiation, but I could be wrong.

[Deadpool]

Jansen had 4 f***ing walks. Jesus.

 

Brian Joroloman 2.0?

[John_Havok]

Stop the presses, we have a Matt Smoral sighting!

 

0.1 IP, Hit the first batter who was then CS, then 3 consecutive walks before he got the hook.

[GD]

lol, what a debut

 

he's coming off an injury, don't put stock into it

[John_Havok]

I don't think he is, but still, by definition, it's a pretty crappy debut.

[Frenchsoup]

whenever i watched video of smoral he looked pretty wild to me, definately a prospect i could part with.

[John_Havok]

Very much a project, the jays knew that when they took him.