NHL Thread

[Pendleton]

Dorion is the biggest moron in sports. San Jose basically bought him for $20 and sold him for $100.

 

I'd say the opposite, Wilson just looks smart right now. Everyone in the league knew Ottawa had to move Hoffman right away, if no one offered them more than "$20" than what were they supposed to do? Toxic situation, had to be done.

 

San Jose gets compensated to act as a middle man between two divisional teams, it likely just means Florida wasn't willing to help Ottawa out of their situation without bending them over even worse than San Jose.

[burlingtonbandit]

I'd say the opposite, Wilson just looks smart right now. Everyone in the league knew Ottawa had to move Hoffman right away, if no one offered them more than "$20" than what were they supposed to do? Toxic situation, had to be done.

 

San Jose gets compensated to act as a middle man between two divisional teams, it likely just means Florida wasn't willing to help Ottawa out of their situation without bending them over even worse than San Jose.

 

Then its on Dorion for not exploring a trade with every team. Just because Florida is in the same division doesn't mean you don't talk to them.

[BTS]

Holy f***, I just saw that SJ flipped him. So the Sharks dump Boedker’s underwater contract on us, upgrade a 6th to a 5th, then trade the return for 3 more picks. What an absolute embarrassment.

[Pendleton]

Then its on Dorion for not exploring a trade with every team. Just because Florida is in the same division doesn't mean you don't talk to them.

 

How do you know what Florida did or didn't offer Dorion?

 

Besides, I think your exaggerating the difference between the two deals. The prospect Ottawa received was a 2nd round pick himself, and closer to the NHL than whoever gets taken with that 2019 2nd. The rest of the pieces are all throw ins, other than Boedker, who Ottawa can hope bounces back enough to have a bit of value at next year's trade deadline.

 

It basically boils down to the difference between Boedker or a couple draft picks (4th + 5th), I'd say that's hardly worth the ridicule Dorion is taking.

[Pendleton]

Ottawa gives- Hoffman, 5th, nothing prospect

Ottawa gets- prospect drafted in 2nd round, 6th, Boedker as placeholder top 9 forward who could be flipped for a pick next deadline

 

SJ gives - prospect recently drafted 2nd round, 6th, Boedker

 

SJ gets - 2nd, 4th and two 5ths, $4M space

 

Florida gives - 2nd, 4th, 5th

Florida gets- Hoffman

 

I get that Florida and San Jose both make out well due to Ottawa's situation, but what I don't see is the highway robbery by San Jose that some are making this out to be.

 

They essentially sold Boedker for some mid rounds picks and cap space, which is fair given that he's a decent top 9 winger who is slightly overpaid for a couple seasons.

[burlingtonbandit]

How do you know what Florida did or didn't offer Dorion?

 

Besides, I think your exaggerating the difference between the two deals. The prospect Ottawa received was a 2nd round pick himself, and closer to the NHL than whoever gets taken with that 2019 2nd. The rest of the pieces are all throw ins, other than Boedker, who Ottawa can hope bounces back enough to have a bit of value at next year's trade deadline.

 

It basically boils down to the difference between Boedker or a couple draft picks (4th + 5th), I'd say that's hardly worth the ridicule Dorion is taking.

 

First of all Dorion is proven to be a moron as well as the entire Sens organization. As a rebuilding team the Sens are way better off with cap room so they can use it to buy a first round pick with a bad contract from a team against the cap, not to mention the picks Florida gave up aren't nothing.

 

Boedker is a dime a dozen player who doesn't give Ottawa any value besides clogging a roster spot to a younger player.

[Pendleton]

First of all Dorion is proven to be a moron as well as the entire Sens organization. As a rebuilding team the Sens are way better off with cap room so they can use it to buy a first round pick with a bad contract from a team against the cap, not to mention the picks Florida gave up aren't nothing.

 

Boedker is a dime a dozen player who doesn't give Ottawa any value besides clogging a roster spot to a younger player.

 

I'm discussing this particular move and not Dorion's entire body of work.

 

There will be room for kids in the Sens roster, but there is such a thing as a cap floor. Boedker is a fast veteran that can give you half a point per game and then be flipped for a pick because he's shown he can step up in the playoffs. He's not great, but also not garbage.

 

There are quotes now from Florida GM Tallon saying that Ottawa called him regarding Hoffman but wanted a roster player included in the deal, and talks went no further until San Jose called offering Hoffman for straight picks.

 

There's no big difference in value between the two deals, and in fact Ottawa can garner more value going this route. If Boedker plays well enough you can flip him for a decent return next year, and the cap space isn't an issue in the mean time.

[Laika]

Pendleton is very wrong here

 

Ottawa should have dealt Hoff for the picks, then maybe just signed a free agent or two to meet the cap floor lol.

 

Demanding a skater for Hoffman is just absurd malpractice

[Pendleton]

Pendleton is very wrong here

 

Ottawa should have dealt Hoff for the picks, then maybe just signed a free agent or two to meet the cap floor lol.

 

Demanding a skater for Hoffman is just absurd malpractice

 

I wasn't saying the only point of taking Boedker was to meet the cap floor, that point was merely debating that you can just fill the spot with a kid.

 

I don't see a kid in the org who is ready to play 18+ mins per night alongside Duchene, which Boedker can do, albeit likely unspectacular at that. Getting a similar caliber free agent likely costs you similar or greater salary on a longer term deal.

 

Again I'll point out that Florida never offered to take Hoffman for just picks.

 

The best assets changing hands (besides Hoffman) were the second to SJ and equivalent prospect to Ottawa. So it's pretty safe to assume that was the best type of piece they could get. I really don't see what is so bad about preferring Boedker to some late round picks, when he could be worth more than that at next year's deadline.

[burlingtonbandit]

I'm discussing this particular move and not Dorion's entire body of work.

 

There will be room for kids in the Sens roster, but there is such a thing as a cap floor. Boedker is a fast veteran that can give you half a point per game and then be flipped for a pick because he's shown he can step up in the playoffs. He's not great, but also not garbage.

 

There are quotes now from Florida GM Tallon saying that Ottawa called him regarding Hoffman but wanted a roster player included in the deal, and talks went no further until San Jose called offering Hoffman for straight picks.

 

There's no big difference in value between the two deals, and in fact Ottawa can garner more value going this route. If Boedker plays well enough you can flip him for a decent return next year, and the cap space isn't an issue in the mean time.

 

Or Ottawa can just take on a bad contract for picks this year and have kept the picks that Florida gave up. Big difference in value between Boedker who is a depth forward getting paid more than he is worth.

 

Not being open to listening to what Florida would have to offer is just Dorion being a bufoon.

[Pendleton]

Or Ottawa can just take on a bad contract for picks this year and have kept the picks that Florida gave up. Big difference in value between Boedker who is a depth forward getting paid more than he is worth.

 

Not being open to listening to what Florida would have to offer is just Dorion being a bufoon.

 

Those picks being a 4th and 5th. Like we're really getting caught up on the value of Boedker vs a 4th + 5th because the rest of the deal is basically a wash.

 

Personally I'd much rather take on Boedker as a decent player and hope he's worth more than a 4th and 5th by next deadline, than what you're proposing.

[BTS]

I wasn't saying the only point of taking Boedker was to meet the cap floor, that point was merely debating that you can just fill the spot with a kid.

 

I don't see a kid in the org who is ready to play 18+ mins per night alongside Duchene, which Boedker can do, albeit likely unspectacular at that. Getting a similar caliber free agent likely costs you similar or greater salary on a longer term deal.

 

Again I'll point out that Florida never offered to take Hoffman for just picks.

 

The best assets changing hands (besides Hoffman) were the second to SJ and equivalent prospect to Ottawa. So it's pretty safe to assume that was the best type of piece they could get. I really don't see what is so bad about preferring Boedker to some late round picks, when he could be worth more than that at next year's deadline.

 

Bergman is the equivalent to a 4th or 5th rounder at this point. He hasn't panned out as hoped.

 

I just don't understand why they wanted Boedker at all - he's a 3rd liner with a 4M cap hit entering his age-29 season. I'd prefer the 2nd round pick, and it's not even really close IMO. San Jose has reportedly been looking to get out from under Boedker's deal for awhile.

[Boxcar]

Holy f***, how can you guys care so much about this crap? It's HOCKEY, who cares?

[Krylian]

Holy f***, how can you guys care so much about this crap? It's HOCKEY, who cares?

 

We're in Canada. Suck a cock.

[Boxcar]

We're in Canada. Suck a cock.

 

Oh, does homophobia also represent Canada? I wasn't given the memo.

[jays4life19]

Holy f***, how can you guys care so much about this crap? It's HOCKEY, who cares?

 

This is the best thing i have ever read in this thread.

[Krylian]

Oh, does homophobia also represent Canada? I wasn't given the memo.

 

No. It's just for you.

[burlingtonbandit]

Those picks being a 4th and 5th. Like we're really getting caught up on the value of Boedker vs a 4th + 5th because the rest of the deal is basically a wash.

 

Personally I'd much rather take on Boedker as a decent player and hope he's worth more than a 4th and 5th by next deadline, than what you're proposing.

 

2nd round pick plus 4M in cap space> Boedker. Can use that cap space to get a player and then flip him for more assets, or take on a contract for picks like I was saying.

[Spanky99]

The awards show tonight tugged at the heartstrings quite a bit.

[King]

Chiarelli says the Oilers are going to move the 10th overall pick for a defenseman and subsequently, butcher another draft. Griffin Reinhart anyone?

 

The NHL is an absolute gongshow right now.

[Frag]

Trotz hired by the Islanders.

 

Lou doing his best to convince Tavares to stay.

[Spanky99]

Trotz hired by the Islanders.

 

Lou doing his best to convince Tavares to stay.

 

Great hire.

[Krylian]

Trotz hired by the Islanders.

 

Lou doing his best to convince Tavares to stay.

 

The Isles won't be winning anytime soon.

[BTS]

Craig Anderson has requested a trade from Otttawa lol

[Krylian]

Craig Anderson has requested a trade from Otttawa lol

 

It would be better if he was actually good. This is probably a blessing for Ottawa.

[BTS]

It would be better if he was actually good. This is probably a blessing for Ottawa.

 

He’s probable unmovable without retention.

[burlingtonbandit]

Craig Anderson has requested a trade from Otttawa lol

 

Dorion with a terrible contract extension that was not needed at the time.

[BTS]

Dorion with a terrible contract extension that was not needed at the time.

 

I have no idea what the f*** he was thinking. Craig Anderson is 37 years old. If he had put up a 0.920 save% over 55 games, he still wouldn't have made tangibly more in free agency than the 2/4.75 he was inexplicably guaranteed in the fall.

[Jonn]

The Isles won't be winning anytime soon.

 

They have s*** loads of young talent led by Matt Barzal. If they had a goalie they probably make the playoffs this year. Its been a complete dumpster fire in net for years for them.

[King]

LOL OTtawa