Dagagad

It’s a learning experience. Stuff like that is going to happen. I hate watching richards pitch. He throws so many uncompetitive pitches and it’s infuriating to watch. I wish he had options.

I don’t know about putting richards in this game but this early, there probably aren’t that many options. Just seems to close for richards.

This is why control without options is a very mixed blessing with relievers.

This is the exact trade I was thinking including Taylor. I think that probably gets it done. Unless we have injuries to the top 3 I would shop lower in the market but I think that gets it done.

What about a buy low? German Marquez has one year after this at 15 and a club option at 16. Could probably get him back to at least 5th starter level with upside for more.

The team on the 120 win pace will be tough to catch I agree.

If we assume that things are exactly like they are now at the deadline (8 games back and our top 3 guys are healthy) montas is probably not a real need. It would be kind of an extreme injury hedge because without injuries, he’s starting like one game at most in a series and none in a three game wild card. If someone else gets injured, I could see it. Or if the division is a credible dream.

Groshans, Pearson, Samad Taylor and a far away pitching prospect they like?

I feel like most relievers become bad before their control runs out anyway but there are exceptions. I wouldn’t hold my breath on a blockbuster for a reliever though. Edit: I notice he has options which is useful. I wouldn’t hate it. It would be nice to upgrade the pen.

I think that gets it done honestly. Or at least close. I don’t think control is as valuable with relievers as other positions but could be wrong.

I agree with you actually. You can increase your playoff win by adding good players. But that’s a bad deal if it compromises your ability to make the playoffs in coming seasons. I think the division if we are in contention is worth going for. Maybe the home wild card as well to a lesser extent. I think we should improve the team a little if we are locked in to a wild card. Add depth starters, add some bullpen depth and promote prospects that could help in the pen. If the division is realistic bump that up more but otherwise I don’t see the point. Really good bullpen help is expensive and I just don’t think it’s worth it. To make this more bigger picture, I’d rather make the playoffs 5 years with an average pen than make it 3 times with a really good one we gave up good prospects to get. This might all be moot. I’m pretty hyped that we seem to be producing our own swing and miss in the minors right now.

I think if we are looking at the team two years from now, I could see groshans as utility and Orelvis at third. Both making 700k, freeing up money to extend the stars.

Trading near majors prospects for immediate bullpen help is trading now for the future to some degree. If you think 1000 PAs at 7% above league average means you are absolutely guaranteed to do that going forward given good health and before age regression, then I have a bridge to sell you.

The braves traded for one reliever at the deadline last year and he didn’t even make the playoff roster. They had a slightly above average bullpen in the regular season. The playoffs is luck. If we are still on track for 95 wins at the deadline, there is absolutely no reason to spend anything of value on bullpen help. You make trades to help you make the playoffs and then spin the wheel.

If we are trading groshans as part of a deal for a good starting pitcher, I’d be down. I’m not down with trading for bullpen, even with control. I personally would not trade him. I’d wait on the power and develop him at a few different positions.

I refuse to believe that this front office would trade a premium prospect for bullpen help. It goes against everything I believe about their competency.

I’m not suggesting a sudden regression. I’ve never thought he was good and I still don’t think he is. You can believe that 107 wrc+ over 1000 PAs proves that but I don’t believe it. I’ll be delighted if I’m wrong. We need good players now and next year and the year after next year and the year after that. There’s no reason why the window should shut soon or that we should stop thinking about future years.

I’ve always considered up the middle to be catcher, short, centre but I guess you are right. Second is up the middle? I don’t agree that he is that good a bat. I think that’s the disconnect here. I also think that guys who are close to the majors are assets to be used right away in the majors. They are cheaper and they sometimes have more upside. If we want our window to stay open as long as possible, trading guys like biggio to accommodate groshans makes more sense than trading groshans. I think he is probably as good as biggio right now in true talent, and he plays third which makes him more useful as I assume that if he can play third and below average short, he can also learn second, first and both corners. I’d much rather bet on his potential than any added value that biggio has this year. This is a bit of a philosophical thing too. I’d always rather keep the close prospects and promote them, and trade the guys in arb 1 if I feel like I know who they are already. You can’t stop developing players and giving up on 700k a year guys who are close in favor of guys who are just getting more expensive and older is not how you build a contender. All this is just if we had to choose. I’m fine keeping biggio, but if it’s him blocking groshans from the roster… trade him.

I don’t see the point of a utility guy who can’t play up the middle at all and I don’t believe in his bat. I want to trade him because he’s doing well right now, so now could be a good time to trade him. Obviously that’s very unlikely this far from the deadline. We could make a separate trade for a lefty bat. I’d much rather have a righty groshans than a leftie biggio eve if we need lefties.

Sounds like someone we could trade for a good reliever.

This front office looked at the tire fire of our bullpen last year and traded panik, tellez and Adams. I’m not criticizing it but I’d be surprised if they traded a premium prospect for a reliever. I personally wouldn’t do it.

That’s what I meant. We pick too late to get him, so we’d need to jump the que by trading for him

I’d trade biggio tomorrow if we could get something good for him. I’m not going as far as Keith law but I think he is just too exploitable. He also can’t play third or short, which in my opinion hurts his value as a utility guy. Biggio is also 27 with three more years of arb. Give me groshans at 700k for 3 years and more upside.

Can’t a team claim him on waivers?

I wish he batted leftie. I honestly would prefer him to biggio on the roster. He can play one more position credibly, he seems to also have a good eye but a better hit tool. I also would like to wait on the power.