Same. Mediocre stop gap players who wanted term. Either of them is fine in a 1Y plug while hoping Groshans and Martin supplant them in 2022, but banking on that is risky.
I'm glad we opted for upside plays in Semien and Springer (don't mind the contract at all). This way you're banking on just 1 of Martin or Groshans to push their way onto the team by 2022, instead of both.
Or maybe, as I'm just thinking about it now, they are signing Molina, and exploring trades for one of Jansen/Kirk/Moreno for their #2 SP? Hmmm, if only we were privy to the machinations going on.
Maybe at this stage in his career he wants ro win more and perhaps that's the selling point from Toronto's perspective. I think this also means that Toronto wants Kirk to get everyday ABs in AAA this season.
Yeah it's full of contradictions. Or maybe he was out-voted by the rest of the staff on the Jays' system? That could be it. His own personal feelings don't match the rest of Fangraphs.
I'd be comfortable with that cost too. Honestly, with their FO, I could easily see it being cheaper. Would not be surprised at all if replacing Grsohans with Hiraldo would get it done.
I agree with everything you said. I'm mostly pointing to the ineptitude of their FO. Even will all those hindrances on the return, this deal is still generally looked at as a poor return for Colorado.
Logic would dictate you may be able to pry good assets from that FO for returns smaller than other competent FOs would receive.
That's how I'm hoping it plays out. Could also end up being the reverse of that though. I think it depends who's ready 1st and what openings there are. If Groshans struggles this season and Martin obliterates the minors, he might take over for 3B in 2022. It all depends really.
I agree 100% with you. Hendricks could still be in play, you're right. Not sure I'd want to give up the assets necessary to get him without eating Bryant's deal though.
Ross & Shapiro are probably not trading anyone in our Top 10 prospects list, from what I've seen.
Bryant/Hendricks + Rosenthal
Or
Bauer + Rosenthal + Didi or Wong
The latter is my preference because it only costs money and a 3rd round pick (from Bauer). It's more expensive, but we hang onto our Top 15 prospects.