Brownie19

Because spending like drunken sailor isn't' a recipe for success. We don't want to become the Tigers and Angels.

Nick Markakis? Wtf is wrong with you people? We'd be better off handing the job to Pompey

I'm fairly sure he doesn't.

Thank God you're not our GM. Don't live in the past. Cards left Albert f***ing Pujols go and kept winning

We'll then I don't want him either. But if he's made significant changes ala JD Martinez, D.Murphy, J. Turner, etc. He had the same wRC+ as Machado and Fowler last year...ahead of Arenado, Springer, Turner and Zobrist

Smoak's platoon partner + backup at another 3 or 4 positions. Someone said he made significant swing changes last year. If that bat is for real, he's a great fit....hopefully on a short, cheap deal. Plus he'll challenge JD for best hair on the team

I was going to argue that Sanchez's mechanics suggest he's going to blow out his arm...however, considering Sale is the poster child for pitchers who you think will blow out their arms, but haven't - I'm just going stick that thought in my back pocket.

Don't forget Rondon too.

Sale and Eaton for Sanchez, Alford and Urena. Make it happen.

Wow guys - this is amazing. Kudos to King and all those who submitted rankings and comments. We have a TON of talent in the lower levels. Add 3 more 1st round picks in the upcoming draft and the future is very bright. Go Jays

Can we move this to the thread Morales thread please. Jesus.

KK - for me, it's all about maximizing value. It's hard to embrace our great rotation when we have Upton and Zeke penciled in our starting OF. It looks plausible to pair Upton with a FA platoon partner, but that leaves Zeke in RF and that makes me want to vomit. Curious to see what Shatkins comes up with. Moving Happ while the value is maxed out is something to consider.

I'd disagree for the following reasons: 1. You're cherry picking. Trumbo and Fowler worked out great, but there's a list of OFers who didn't provide value (Austin Jackson, Parra, Span, Aoki) 2. Dickerson isn't an impact outfielder. He's f***ing s***. 3. I can gather a list of discount pitchers who provided great returns last year (Colon, Hill, Lewis, Estrada, Happ) - just like you can point to a couple of OFers who had great years. 4. Decent OFers like Justin Upton, Span, Rasmus and Parra all cost quite a bit (and subsequently, all of them sucked penis). The reality is there are SPing and OF bargins available every year and there are SPers and OFers who get overpaid every year. The key is identifying them. This team only has 1 starting OFer right now (who can't hit) and there are no in-house replacements in sight (unless you still believe in Pompey). Adding a young OFer with years of control would be a massive plus for this contending team....Google Cubs, Chicago and see how they built a sustainable winner. I'd also argue the Blue Jays didn't get "the new Happ". He's remarkably similar to the "old" Happ actually. Only in July and August last year did Happ resemble the "new Happ" that we saw in Pittsburgh the year before. Unless the Jays have identified what he has to do to be that guy consistently (and seeing how he pitching in September & October - there's nothing to suggest they did) - this will be the peak of his value.

But he's a sparkplug - he makes things happen

We need 2 starting OFers sir. Sign Reddick to platoon with Upton in LF regardless of whether you deal Happ. Now fill RF please - excluding platoon options because there isn't room. The true equation might be Angel Pagan + Happ or Conforto/Puig + Cashner/B.Anderson/Peavy/Wilson/etc. Maybe we are better to keep our starting pitching depth and find an OFer in the dumpster.........but if I can land a young OFer with multiple years of control left and sell High on Happ - I'm all over that...

I get that - I'm just saying most teams don't have options that are significantly better than Biagini and Bolsinger as there 6th and 7th. You also have to factor in the quality of our starting 5. The #4 and #5 on most teams is a little iffy to start with - if they lose their #2 starter, it would hurt significantly more than if the Jays #2 starter got hurt (whoever you want to pencil in there). I agree we need to add some depth - I'm just saying we aren't too bad and if you could land a young OFer and sell high on Happ - you have to consider that.

We should probably have a look at him then if true - possibly as a fallback to Pearce. He played 3rd, SS, 2nd, 1st and all 3 OF positions last year while posting a 129 wRC+ and his defensive metrics weren't terrible. wRC+ of 153 vs. LHP last year. I'm not sure I want him playing MI for an extended period, but if they think the swing change/bat are now for real - he's a solid target.

I think if you were to compare the Jays depth - while factoring in the quality of their 1-5, you'll find the Jays are near the top of the league.

Meh - If I could get Conforto for Happ, I'd do it in a heartbeat and figure the #5 spot out later. That said, that trade is probably incredibly unrealistic. Puig might not be though.

But Cespedes and Davis were both coming off a 6.3 and a 5.6 WAR season when they were FA's. Edwin is steady Eddie around 4 WAR. Cespedes and Davis were younger and coming off much better years (Davis was also 1 year removed from a 7 WAR season), which explains why Cesepedes got $25M AAV and Davis got $23M AAV. That alone almost proves that EE should be in the $20M AAV range.

I'd give that to Cashner to see what he could do. Suspect he wants a starting role though. Happ to LA for Puig or Conforto. Cashner as our #5

Ah FFS. Although I don't know if I would have given him $14M over 2 years to fill that role. Andrew Cashner it is!

I wonder if Cashner could be dominant out of the pen....He passes the old eye test every time I see him.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3926&position=P Interesting article suggesting Casey Fien and Jake Peavy could be solid targets, based on spin rates.

I found my own answer - Charlie Morton. Morton slides into Biagini's role out of the pen, but also provides insurance for our rotation. Biagini's given the opportunity to develop in AAA as a starter and Danny Barnes replaces Benoit in the pen. Actually - I'd entertain trading Happ for a younger OF with some years of control (Puig, Conforto, etc.) if we could replace him with a one of Morton, Biagini, Bolsinger. Maybe grab Andrew Cashner too and throw him into the mix!