Brownie19

Do you work for free?

What is your point?

Do you want a medal?

That's fair - my point is most people who still joke and rip the Astros don't realize or acknowledge this - nor do they acknowledge that every team in the league had pitchers who were cheating and I think that's wrong. It's like how my 6 year old knows that Barry Bonds cheated and I have to explain to him that while that's true - in all likelihood, half the pitchers he was facing were also cheating. Adults should be smarter than my 6 year old.

I never said it was to the same extent. But obviously the Red Sox were also stealing signs and every team in the league was using sticky stuff to help their pitchers. Cheating is cheating - I'm not sure I have enough evidence to rank them or clearly decide that the Astros cheated more than everyone else by a significant amount. Are you certain that banging trash cans was more effective than the sticky stuff? Do you know whether some teams developed 'better' sticky stuff than other teams? Were there teams using spider tack for a year or 2 before the rest of the league caught up (from using sunscreen and rosin)? How are you so certain teams weren't cheating to the same extent as the Astros? Maybe other teams just didn't get caught. If someone wants to say "f*** those Astros, they cheated more than the other teams, who were also cheating, but not to the same extent" - then I'd probably be OK with that (although I think that's a grey area still)...but that's typically not what I've seen or heard. People act like the Astros were the only ones cheating, which is wrong and ignorant.

Why are you taking a jab at me. Ever think that perhaps you could have written it more clearly? I appreciate that some are very proud of their homeland and culture and that's why they would be upset to be accidently be called a Mexican, when they are in fact Cuban. To be fair - I've never felt an overwhelming sense of pride for my own country, the University I went to, the Town I grew up in, or the Town I live in. I've never felt they were vastly superior to others or something to be extremely proud of. I struggle to understand the mindset of those who do.

I just don't think it's fair to joke, laugh or rip the Astros without acknowledging that several teams have (are?) also cheating. As the youth would say, it makes you look like a simp.

No way - f*** that. And I say that because 95% of the people who still talk about it believe Houston was the only team cheating. Perhaps they were the only ones banging trash cans, but they certainly weren't the only team cheating.

I read it as if you better never call a Cuban a Mexican - even if it's an honest mistake, like Mexicans are so f***ing horrible that nobody wants to be mistaken for one. That is racist. If you suggest a Japanese person is Chinese and then double down and claim there's no difference, then yes, obviously that isn't right.

That was Melvin's response after the lost that last game? That's odd. Either way - my point was regarding 'robot managers'. I think the robot tells you to start that inning with Hader v. JT and Harper. The old school mentality is to leave your "set up man" pitch the 8th and your "closer" pitch the 9th, regardless of where you are in the lineup.

So Cubans and Colombians are so racist that it's a major no-no to accidently refer to them as Mexican? Got it. I couldn't for the life of me ever imagine getting upset if someone mistakenly referred to me as an Australian.

Exactly - this really shouldn't be a conversation.

Managers certainly utilize statistics and advanced metrics more than they used to. Back in the day, decisions were made off what your gut told you (whatever the F that even means) and your eyes showed you. Call the former being a robot if you must, but that's really short sighted as I'm sure if you went back and re-watched games from 1995 with the proper stats in hand, you'd realize the accuracy of the eye/gut wasn't very good. That all said, pitching Suarez in the 8th and saving Hader for the 9th isn't a 'robot' decision, but instead an old school way of doing things. Some believe pitchers perform better when they stick with their routine and the old school way of managing was to use your setup guy in the 8th and closer in the 9th, regardless of where you are in the order. It's only be recently that managers have been scraping the traditional roles and putting their best pitchers in at the most crucial times. This change is almost 100% based on the statistics they now have at their finger tips as it appears that back in the day, people's guts didn't tell them to do that (even though it seems like common sense). The robot would likely have suggested you use your BEST reliever in the 8th through the heart of the order and take your chances in the 9th. I'm not sure what the SD Manager was basing those moves off, but I really doubt it was solely based on the numbers.

There's a lot of luck involved in the baseball playoffs (as much as some don't want to acknowledge this).

Our very own Varsho? Amazing. #donttradeKirk4Varsho

3 times in 4 years potentially...

Keep in mind that a 0-6 start in hockey is the same as an 0-12 start in baseball. I'm sure even you can understand that a different conversation than having a bit of a slow start. Should Boudreau be on the hot seat? I mean - who the f*** thought Vancouver would be good this year? No coach should be expected to create miracles.

He did? (I don't listen to interviews) What a ****!

Castellanos was behind him, providing Tapia level protection bruh!

Give it a f***ing break. You're suggesting a 'couple' of guys in the barrio are laughing and have no intensity and then go on to suggest something has to change or they won't win. So when I suggest you want everyone to act the same way - I'm making s*** up? utter nonsense. You pointed out laughing when they are losing - so yes, I assume you don't want laughing when they are losing and must want the opposite, which would generally be pissed off and to be serious in that situation - right? And yes - Grant is suggesting the players who aren't serious about winning a championship need to go. I'll quote him too next time so you can keep up with the conversation.

Did anyone post John's interview the other night where he spoke about his decisions in Game 2? He said the team liked certain matchups (when referring to the Mayza decision)...

Sorry, but I believe this is a really bad and short sighted take guys. Everyone is different. Some perform better when they are 100% locked in and super serious all the time, but others aren't. Some tight up and play like s*** with that mentality. I also have no problem with people who hate losing - but for some people, the best thing for them is to forget it as soon as the game is over and to move on. It's often very counterproductive for people to agonize over every loss. If you guys think some manager or player is going to come in an demand that everyone acts the same way in the dugout and clubhouse and after every loss - and that it will make them a better team. That's really ignorant. As JH correctly points out, just because they are smiling doesn't mean they don't hate losing. Everyone handles emotions differently - like those who laugh at weddings. Anyone pretending they know what's happening in the clubhouse or we need to move players because of what you see when the camera pans to the dugout is ignorant. This is a really dumb discussion.

Yur dumn. Imagine how many of Kirk's singles that Varsho would have stretched into 2? Ummm....that's not how it works.

Holy f*** are we back discussing clubhouse culture and a bunch of s*** that we have very little, if any, information about? Awesome.

I don't know how to respond to this gibberish. So I won't.