Brownie19

Why do we always forget that we used the money we would have had to pay Teo to sign KK, who was better than Teo last year. We essentially got Swanson and Macko for free. But burn Atkins on the cross!

Imagine complaining about a lottery ticket like Pinto (who's put up a 116 wRC+ at age 19 and 20 in Single A ball) when the player we gave up was Randal Grichuk...

Yeah - I liked him as a target too for similar reasons. But there was always risk he wouldn't produce much this year. He's bounced around the league over the last 4 years, during which he produced one amazing year, one solid year and 2 below average years. He's running a career high BABIP and is tied with his best season ever at the plate at age 32. No matter how you slice it - nobody should have expected this type of year from him. He's producing at the 90th percentile outcome. I don't think anyone should have been overly surprised if Joc was producing like Soler is this year (102 wRC+, 0.2 WAR). Did the Jays look into Carlos Santana? I mean we could look at those results and suggest they made a massive mistake in not brining him in. 1.7 WAR this year. Dumb Blue Jays missed out. There were like 5 or 6 reasonable free agent DH targets this year. It was like roulette as to which ones would produce and which ones would bust and I'm not sure anyone would suggest they knew which would do what. Pederson - "hit" JD Martinez - "hit" Santana - "hit" Turner - "missed" Garver - "missed" Soler - "missed" Duvall - "missed"

To be fair, the Yariel signing was more of a long term thing. I don't think the Jays expected him to have a major impact this season - he would just add to their pitching depth this year. Based on what we've seen so far, that looks like it was a really solid move. But yes, the FA signings this year haven't been great. Not nearly as good as Atkins has been between 2020 and 2023. I do wonder what the league average for this stuff is. I don't think anyone should expect a GM to be perfect with their FA signings and provide exceptional value year after year. They all swing and miss sometimes.

Perhaps. He may also have loved the production with RISP also - as Turner is one of a few that seemingly consistently hits better with RISP. But - that's not my point. At the time they signed, I suspect the outcome probabilities were similar for both players. Joc is producing in like the 90th percentile outcome, while Turner is producing in like the 30th percentile outcome. That is outside of the GM's control. There's also no guarantee (or anyway of knowing) that Joc would be producing the same in Toronto as he is in Arizona.

No - it did. I agree that what Omar said wasn't the same as the BS that LTBF said. However, it was still criticism (or questioning) that the organization wasn't handling their pitchers correctly. The Dodgers have had issues with both: - pitchers getting hurt; and - injured pitchers getting healthy and coming back to help the team (Dustin May has been hurt for seemingly 7 straight years now). Thus - I thought what Omar was saying was relevant. And yes I acknowledge that Omar was more asking a question instead of just insisting the Jays must be f***ing everything up. I thought they would be more receipts OK? Maybe there were, but I wasn't looking for more than 2 minutes and I needed more than 1 receipt...sorry Omar. And yes my good friend jaysblue - I do use examples to help illustrate that issues like this often are often seen across the league - including within other great organizations. I think that's a logical thing to do - you know, use examples to support my position.

He's joking at Mr. Pelfrey was trying to downplay how good Carrasco and Brantley were. Man - that Sizemore, Lee and Phillips for Colon deal was one of the best ever. Who made that deal again?

I would have preferred Joc over Turner myself and I'm sure this just adds to my lor as an Atkins apologetic, but hear me out. Pederson's last 4 seasons (wRC+) 86, 96, 146, 111 He was projected for a 115 wRC+ this year and is a strict platoon player. Joc was projected for 1.1 WAR, Turner for 1.0 WAR. What was the probability that Joc Pederson had a good year and outperformed his projections? I suspect it was similar to the probability that Turner did - although perhaps you could argue that Joc's age gave him the advantage. However, as a minimum, I suspect probabilities for Pederson and Turner are a lot closer than people want to admit. You also could factor in that Pederson likely only gives you 425-450 PA's a year, whereas Turner likes gives you 550-600. Although I would have preferred Pederson (due to him being a lefty and having more power), I don't agree with a suggestion that signing Turner over Pederson was some god awful decision. Those saying that are looking at today's results, not the probabilities when the signings were made. I agree with Term and Laika that at the end of the day, this decision doesn't have a major impact on the season, but fans will latch onto anything they can these days to feed their internal hatred of the team.

Many said the same thing about J.D. Martinez this offseason too. It is really odd that no team has given him a call.

RISP production? I don't know.

That is bizarre. Would love to hear their side of the story.

His proof that Cleveland was desperate to get rid of Shapiro is an online comment from someone suggesting they hate him more than Osama bin Laden. Say no more sir. People may want to find the "remove thanks" button.

I wonder what % of 1st round picks never player in the majors or have very short, useless careers. I bet it's extremely high. I don't see much evidence that it actually gets GM's fired. It gets you fired in the NFL for sure, maybe in the NBA or NHL, but even they have tons of busts too.

Counting must not be your thing. But hey - anytime I can point out that LTBF is a wrong - I'll take the dub.

Would you shut the f*** up.

Not according to MLB, BA and the Sporting News, who all rank Yesavage over Caminiti. Teams are probably worried that Caminiti has been on PEDs since the age of 4.

The Dodgers need pitching....not sure they're giving much up right now when they have like 14 on the IL.

As requested.

He's the 11th ranked player. BPA and Org need

Have a weekend ump.

This kind of action just isn't effective. If we were actually in the playoff race, I could see them fire the manager as a wake up message or a way to "try something new". At this point, it's not really worth it. I believe very few GM's are fired in season. You CERTAINLY don't do that the day before the draft, or this close to the trade deadline.

2nd lowest ERA of his very good career

It's almost like we've talked about this at nauseum already...

#facts

Weren't people suggesting the Jays must be doing something wrong with the development of their pitchers because so many are injured? What are the Dodgers currently doing?