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  1. glory
    Yeah people who think Shapiro will be allowed to rebuild for much longer are in for a rude awakening. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Rogers wants to win either in 2020 or 2021. This will be the third straight year the team sucks (despite only being the first year they are truly bottoming out), and I can't see Rogers letting this continue to trend downwards any more than it has.
  2. glory
    The Jays are definitely going to acquire Josh Naylor now from the Padres. Thiccc is the new untapped market.
  3. glory
    Hopefully there’s more footage of Smoltz talking about Manoah’s package.
  4. glory
    Agreed. I think Shapiro was a great hire and still is, but either Atkins is really bad (assuming he has full autonomy) or Shapiro has lost a step in a changing economic climate in MLB. Rogers will get tired of poor attendance either by the end of this season or next season, and I think Shapiro signed a five year deal when he took over (which would cover 2016-2020). I would not be shocked if Rogers moves on from Shatkins after 2020, especially if 2020 is a repeat of 2019.
  5. glory
    They made no effort to make the 2019 team better, have force fed playing time to never-will-be's, gave a 2 WAR player $50m a year and a half before they had do, and will trade their best pitchers in a market where teams do not trade top prospects anymore. I actually thought 2020 would be better, but I'm honestly scared we will waste at least half of Vlad's service time before it gets better. I know I'll get killed by the Shatkins white knights who will run to their defense, but I was actually a big fan of theirs since 2016 and they've turned me into this. It's their fault. Give me a reason to be optimistic fer god sakes!
  6. glory
    Yeah Wall's numbers do look a little like Alford's in AA, and we know what happened when he moved up. If Wall is a LF as mentioned rather than a CF, then that definitely takes away from his appeal. He'll have to take his high AVG/high OBP into every level for him to have a chance.
  7. glory
    The best thing about Wall is that his BB/K rate looks great. The Jays have had a very hard time acquiring players who can draw walks at a high level so this is a good development for him. Time to move him up to AAA and see what he has. Still only 23. If his D in CF is even average, he might be something.
  8. glory
    Forrest Wall went 3-5 with 3 doubles. He is now hitting .309/.411/.466 in 178 at bats. Drawing walks and not striking out a ton (18% K%). I have no idea what his defence is like, but this team needs OF prospects in the upper minors badly. Promote him (to AAA) and see what he's got. Once they make some trades and call Alford up mid season (it's going to happen), hopefully they move Wall up then. There's a lot of s*** in AAA (Teoscar, McKinney, Brito, Hanson). Can't have any of them block a potentially decent prospect.
  9. glory
    Mid tier free agents and trading prospects for starters with 2+ years of control left. Pitching prospects are the scariest assets imaginable. Trade for vets whose arms are more likely to stay attached and hope to build an offence/defence that is full of elite young talent. It won’t be easy but that’s probably the avenue they go.
  10. glory
    Well that will change in 2020. This team is looking like a 100 loss team, or damn close to it, and it should get worse when they start trading vetrins. This front office has been pretty damn good with the draft from the looks of it so next year's draft should be fun.
  11. glory
    I think I'd prefer (good) hitting prospects in return for Giles+ only because you can't trust SP prospects. The best bet would be to get the absolute best package you can get regardless of position and then trade expendable prospect depth to acquire vet SPs. I think AA had the right idea in one respect which was consolidating prospects to get players of need, but he did it before the team was ready for it, which ended up causing the small contention window. The key here will be to do the same thing but only when the team is filled with what Shatkins perceives to be the next contending core. I just don't trust pitching prospects no matter how good.
  12. glory
    The Super 2 deadline is such a farce. I can't believe half the stuff the MLBPA approved in CBA negotiations over the years/decades.
  13. glory
    If they trade Stroman, the return better be amazing. I don't care if they trade Giles, who is elite, but RP's are RP's and they are the one commodity on the trade market that will always have value even in a depressed market where teams are reluctant to trade prospects. We should be able to do well in a Giles trade. Playoff teams love to stack up on elite relievers. To me, Stroman is someone you keep long term. He's good, wants to stay here, is embracing the young team of mostly s***** replacement level players (until the real prospects are all up), and is young enough to still be a contributor to any 2020-beyond success. They better be very careful with his situation. At this point they either have to extend him or trade him because they can't afford to be caught with their pants down and sell at 50 cents on the dollar (or 20 cents in JD's case) by holding on to a player for too long.
  14. glory
    Agreed about not having much value at the time they were traded, but that should also be an indictment of the front office, who have routinely sold low aside from the Diaz trade. At the end of the day it's about value in versus value out. If the Jays are loading up on bubble 40 man roster depth when trading their best trade assets, then I don't see how we can view that positively. Even though Giles and Stroman have more trade value than anyone else Shatkins has traded, I'm actually dreading (hyperbole!) the returns. They have to prove that they can get good prospects in trades before I feel confident. At this point I'm 100% on Team Stroman, sign him up to an extension ASAP, but I get the sense he's being shopped heavy so it's about getting the best return possible.
  15. glory
    The Osuna trade was good given the circumstances, but that same trade would have been considered disappointing had Osuna not been involved in DV/legal issues at the time. They have a chance to make up for it though with a Giles trade, which hopefully yields at least one impact prospect. Return for Giles + Perez + Paulino might end up being a net positive, possibly significant net positive (depends on what the return for Giles is).
  16. glory
    I think Thornton is a multi inning reliever long term, so I'd rate Borucki's ceiling as a SP higher, but his injury history is serious enough to cause some pause.
  17. glory
    Stroman and Giles both need to be traded for legit top prospects. Anything less and extending them becomes a more value driven option.
  18. glory
    I must have missed this, but where the hell is David Paulino? It says he was placed on the 7 day injured list on 5/7, but no word since.
  19. glory
    I think baseball will always exist, but its relevancy is definitely dropping, with no signs of it climbing back any time soon, if ever again.
  20. glory
    My point was Shapiro has said publicly that he believes in supplementing through free agency, not using it to build. In other words, he’d rather develop Gerrit Cole and sign 2016 Happ than sign Cole to a monster contract. That approach will work if Shatkins succeeds in developing internally but it also means it’s not Rogers holding the team back from signing expensive free agents. It will be the front office. The bright side is it has never been easier to supplement through free agency (see 2019 Twins). Bad news is we don’t have anything to supplement, and probably won’t for a few years.
  21. glory
    It won't be Rogers that prevents the Jays from getting free agents, it will be Shatkins. They do not like free agency, and I think Shapiro has said as much publicly. The biggest test for Atkins will be when he starts trading prospects for vets. In the current market, free agency is cheap, and vets with 1-2 years of control left are not as expensive to acquire in trades. That's where a quick turnaround could be possible, but if he's planning on trading Stroman, then the rotation will need practically 5 new starters unless you believe Thornton can stick there long term and Sanchez can throw 2 innings without his fingers falling off.
  22. glory
    Grichuk will go on his usual hot streak in the summer when the Jays are like 20 games under .500, so at least there's that.
  23. glory
    I'd be thrilled if he turns into a 3 WAR player. 5-7 is very unrealistic, even in a best case scenario. They guessed right with Smoak, so I'll trust their judgment, but players with BB%'s that low (and K%'s that high) are usually not consistently good, unless he turns into Javy Baez.
  24. glory
    I said at the time, I don't trust a guy with his BB/K rate long term, especially since we have years of data to show that he kinda is what he is. A streaky hitter with power and a ~2 WAR type. You don't give $50 mil to those types in a market where 2 win players are signing minor league deals. Who knows maybe he proves me wrong, I hope he does, but I don't think it was a smart move. Surplus potential is limited unless his bat takes off.
  25. glory
    So instead of acknowledging what I feel are bad moves, it's best to wear blinders and pretend everything is great? Only the latter makes someone a fan? That's warped thinking, and you are being way too literal if you took "dread" as a serious statement.
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