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Yeah agreed, it really depends on the farm system. A top 5 prospect on a s***** farm system really doesn't mean much, but the 10th prospect in a stacked system might be the equivalent of a top 5. Either way a healthy Giles should be able to fetch at least one legit top 100 prospect plus a lotto ticket or two. Of course he needs to be healthy and pitching. Cross fingers.
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Red Sox vs. Blue Jays - July 15th, 2019
glory replied to Ex Player's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
I don’t think Thornton is a SP long term but they really have no choice but to throw him out there. Options are limited. Without Stroman this is going to get a lot uglier. -
General 2019 Blue Jays Discussion Thread
glory replied to Bobthe4th's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
Agreed: The longer they wait to call him up, the more mid April of next year makes more sense. It sucks and I hope the next CBA changes that but might as well take advantage. The injury likely hurt in terms of ETA as well. -
General 2019 Blue Jays Discussion Thread
glory replied to Bobthe4th's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
I agree, Bo should be up and playing SS everyday. If they are willing to forgo 2026 by calling him up this season, then the longer they wait the less time they have with him. Seems pointless to hold him back if he's healthy and ready to play SS everyday. If he's not, then maybe that's the answer. Waiting to trade our fringe starting SS for a C+ prospect is a lame answer. -
Yeah they look like a really good trade partner for the Jays/Stroman, and Atkins seems to make a lot of trades with them. I just don't know who they can possibly give up to make it worth it for the Jays. Martin would have made sense but he's out for a while. They won't trade Tucker/Whitley/Alvarez. I'd vomit everywhere if we get JBB so hopefully that's not an option. I think I mentioned this before, but acquiring Josh James and putting him in the rotation (HOU currently using him in the pen) might be a decent short term move, but would still need prospects on top of that to make it worthwhile. Astros definitely have the need. Whether they have the trade pieces is the question.
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Similar K% at the same level, but Conine is at least killing the ball otherwise. He definitely needs to cut that down or he is going to get exposed as he moves up. Woodman seems to have disappeared. Released by the Cards and no 2019 data. At least he got 2nd round money.
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Yeah I noticed that. What's more puzzling is this is the trade deadline thread, and the topic he is accusing me of repeating too much is about how the front office TRADES players at the TRADE DEADLINE. He's gone full Brownie. Apparently you can only bring up a point that Dick and Brownie disagree with once, and only once, otherwise it's deemed too much. But hopefully Dick's anti-tanking "Jim wants to trade everyone" posts continue. That's not repetitive at all.
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Less than the times you have mocked "tanking" for years now (even though the Jays are doing just that).
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I'll be annoyed because he was used 3 days in row after coming off the DL and then immediately got hurt again, but keeping him instead of selling at 50 cents on the dollar would be fine with me. Disappointing but better than a bad trade.
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Agreed but are the offers going to be substantially different a week from now? I think we are close enough to the deadline where teams have an idea whether they are in or not (for the most part) and which prospects they are willing to move. I agree just trading him for the sake of trading him would be wrong, but at the same time waiting to get an offer that probably won't be there even if you wait another week is just risking an injury or worse. Honestly if I have faith in the front office I'd probably be ok with waiting, but Shatkins really scared me after last season.
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Yup. The longer they wait, the fewer starts he has with his next team, and they also run the risk of a Ross Atkins "wait until he's injured or sucks before I trade him" situation. I like Stro and want him to stay long term, but that ship has sailed. Move him before his next scheduled start.
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Decent start by Stro and his arm didn’t fall off. Success.
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Is it too much to ask for the Angels to actually make the playoffs so that Trout can get a bit more exposure in his prime? I mean I'd hate if he was on the Yankees since it would hurt the Jays, but that would have been amazing for baseball. He's wasting his career in Anaheim.
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Yeah I’m not a big fan of the Atkins run but can’t deny the drafting has been great under his watch. Warmoth just happens to be an exception. He’s an infield version of McKinney. Jack of no trades. It happens. Won’t be perfect with first round picks.
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While teams like the Yanks and Rays always seem to trade at the right time. It's incredibly frustrating. At this rate I'm not even holding any expectations for Stroman and Giles. This was Ross' time to show what he's got, and calling it bad luck when it happens consistently is going to get old in a hurry (if it hasn't already).
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So...... Donaldson traded on Aug 31 (1 month of control left) when he wasn't even healthy. Happ traded after having the worst month he's had all season, only 2 months of control left. Osuna traded during a suspension. Pearce traded a couple of days after he comes off the DL, he then proceeds to have a 150 wRC+ from the time he was traded to July 30. Pillar traded after starting this season terribly, rather than the year before when he was still a 2 WAR player. Am I missing any? Atkins almost seems to be more comfortable trading from a position of weakness.
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Agreed. If Giles is hurt, then hold on to him and trade him in the winter or (knowing Atkins) wait until the trade deadline next year and take this risk all over again. Do not trade him for 50 cents on the dollar. We have leverage here.
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He pitched an inning in a 10-6 loss, and then an inning in a 7-7 game that was his 3rd game in a row. I don't know how Montoyo even considered this a good idea and got no blow back by anyone on his coaching staff or even from upstairs. That goes beyond incompetence. Bunting excessively during a rebuilding year is just annoying. Stuff like this hurts the org long-term.
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Definitely some bad luck involved (Osuna DV case being the biggest one), but injury/performance risks are always there. If a team continually trades at the wrong time, there's only so much rope we can give them. After a while it gets old (and frustrating). If it's day to day as it is being reported and he can potentially pitch tomorrow, then at least that's good news. Can't stress enough how important the returns for Giles and Stroman are.
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Um, everything I said in my post is written/confirmed in the link provided. The overall summary is about the faintest praise you can give a prospect. I'm not sure what your gripe is. If you want to believe he's a good prospect, then that's up to you. I really don't care one way or the other. He's not even in my top 30 Jays prospects.
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I will give them credit for the creativity though. They could have just said nerve inflammation and left it at that, but they went all in. JP Ricciardi would be proud. It ain't lying if they know the truth. I said it in the game thread, I hope we don't go into another trade deadline with veteran trade chips. After what happened last year and now actually having high valued assets that our manager is sabotaging is just too painful to watch.
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It's Heyman, so take that for what it is worth.
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Infielder who can't play short, hits 50% of balls in play on the ground, strikes out 25% of the time in A+/AA at age 23, and doesn't have a single above average tool by pretty much any metric. I'm pretty confident in my stance on him. If he could play an above average SS, then I'd be more intrigued, but 2B at best? Nah, I'm good. He sucks.
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Can I just say that after last year and now this year, I never ever want to go into a season holding on to veteran trade chips unless they are relievers like Joe Smith or David Phelps. It sucks, especially since we are depending on Giles and Stro to help our rebuild.
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Yeah I get that Montoyo is just a lameduck manager who is going to lose 100 games and then be replaced when the team is good again, but taking such an unnecessary risk with one of the biggest trade assets on your team right after he comes off the DL is infuriating. Only one of the game was a save situation too. The other two were a blow out and a tie game respectively. Hopefully I am just overreacting and he's been traded. Please, please let that be the reason he's not pitching today.