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He pitched an inning in a 10-6 loss, and then an inning in a 7-7 game that was his 3rd game in a row. I don't know how Montoyo even considered this a good idea and got no blow back by anyone on his coaching staff or even from upstairs. That goes beyond incompetence. Bunting excessively during a rebuilding year is just annoying. Stuff like this hurts the org long-term.

Definitely some bad luck involved (Osuna DV case being the biggest one), but injury/performance risks are always there. If a team continually trades at the wrong time, there's only so much rope we can give them. After a while it gets old (and frustrating). If it's day to day as it is being reported and he can potentially pitch tomorrow, then at least that's good news. Can't stress enough how important the returns for Giles and Stroman are.

Um, everything I said in my post is written/confirmed in the link provided. The overall summary is about the faintest praise you can give a prospect. I'm not sure what your gripe is. If you want to believe he's a good prospect, then that's up to you. I really don't care one way or the other. He's not even in my top 30 Jays prospects.

I will give them credit for the creativity though. They could have just said nerve inflammation and left it at that, but they went all in. JP Ricciardi would be proud. It ain't lying if they know the truth. I said it in the game thread, I hope we don't go into another trade deadline with veteran trade chips. After what happened last year and now actually having high valued assets that our manager is sabotaging is just too painful to watch.

It's Heyman, so take that for what it is worth.

Infielder who can't play short, hits 50% of balls in play on the ground, strikes out 25% of the time in A+/AA at age 23, and doesn't have a single above average tool by pretty much any metric. I'm pretty confident in my stance on him. If he could play an above average SS, then I'd be more intrigued, but 2B at best? Nah, I'm good. He sucks.

Can I just say that after last year and now this year, I never ever want to go into a season holding on to veteran trade chips unless they are relievers like Joe Smith or David Phelps. It sucks, especially since we are depending on Giles and Stro to help our rebuild.

Yeah I get that Montoyo is just a lameduck manager who is going to lose 100 games and then be replaced when the team is good again, but taking such an unnecessary risk with one of the biggest trade assets on your team right after he comes off the DL is infuriating. Only one of the game was a save situation too. The other two were a blow out and a tie game respectively. Hopefully I am just overreacting and he's been traded. Please, please let that be the reason he's not pitching today.

Waiting to hear the reasoning. He could be traded, or he could be hurt. If he's hurt, and Montoyost let him pitch 3 days in a row last week for no reason......damn.

Apparently Giles is not coming in the game for the 9th. Trade on the way, or Buntoyo killed him by letting him pitch 3 straight days?

Nah, Warmoth is trash. His best use to the Jays would be as someone who the team could hopefully trade for a useful big league piece (ala Woodman for Diaz). No above average tool and can't play SS says it all. Hope he can pad his milb numbers though, especially at the higher levels.

Keep Sanchez in the game, let him throw 120 pitches, and save the pen. This guy is Fubar. Ride his arm out.

Sanchez and Boras can't GTFO of Toronto soon enough.

Only if his injury is worse than expected. Otherwise he has one foot out the door already.

Atkins seems like someone who would favor depth over banking on one guy. Not necessarily quantity over quality, but I think he'd rather spread the risk a little bit. I'm basing that off nothing. I suspect the Jays will trade Stro and Giles separately and get at least six prospects out of the deal. Hopefully at least two of them, one in each trade, is a legit top 100 prospect with upside. More would obviously be better. I think Balazovic is a real possibility in one of the deals.

I doubt it since he hasn't pitched in a while due to injury. Teams will want to see him healthy before making a deal. Just seems like he (like everyone else) knows he is going to be traded soon and is just cleansing his social media of any ties to the org.

Kawhi, LeBron, Giannis, George, and Beal are free agents in two years. Probably other big names as well. The craziness of this summer's free agent market will be repeated in 2021. I don't expect the Raptors to ever build via free agency, unless Giannis' relationship with Masai can create something there, but it wouldn't be smart to be tied down to bad contracts in anticipation for that free agent class. Unless you are trading for a star, I say go with short term deals with Siakam being the only big contract on the books in two years. Try to trade Powell for a contract that ends one year earlier than his, if possible.

No way in bloody hell Masai trades for Westbrick and his contract. The team that does will instantly regret it. Unfortunately due to the timing of Kawhi leaving and the cap situation, this seems like a victory lap kind of season where you just let the core play it out, make the playoffs, lose in the 1st/2nd round, let Lowry get a standing O in the last game, and then pivot from there. I don't think giant expirings (Lowry, Gasol, Ibaka) will mean much to other teams as next year's FA market sucks, so might as well hold on to the vets and see how far the team can go. The team definitely needs to add a wing player that can create his own shot, though. Norm and McCaw at the 2 is really bad.

Brewers would be my pick here.

Twins.

Yankees.

At this point it seems pretty clear that either the Jays and Stroman are far apart in dollars/term, or the Jays simply don't want him long term. A trade is inevitable, but still a bit surprising that Stro would be so open about it.

McKinney is a jack of no trades. He does nothing well. Can't hit for average, power is not great, can't field, can't run, etc. His minor league numbers when his BABIP wasn't .350 were pretty average to below average across the board. Three teams weren't going to give up on him before his 24th birthday if he was any good. Known s*** taking up a 40 man roster spot versus potential s*** that is years away but might have a 5% chance of being good is an easy decision for a team that was on the verge of scorching earth. McKinney does nothing for this team. If Luciano was in the minors and was putting up decent numbers in A/A+, he'd be a trade asset. Maybe not a huge one, but better than McKinney. If anyone thought McKinney was actually a 2 WAR caliber player then sure, that would be fair. That was a stretch though. I think Teoscar has a better chance of being that type of player than McKinney does, and Teoscar's just as much a long shot. I'm not saying Happ for a low-A ball lotto ticket would have been a good trade, I'm saying it would have been better than getting what we got. Like I said you could sell me on Drury being a buy low candidate (even though I didn't see the point of acquiring him if we were rebuilding), but at least attach him with even a 45 FV prospect or someone with some upside. Putting McKinney in that category even at the time of the trade would have been a stretch.

I haven't read anything about the Phillies except that they won't blow their load for a WC spot. Lots of smoke around Stro and the Yankees, much like Happ and the Yankees last year. That seems like the perfect fit other than the thought of trading with Cashman scaring the ever loving s*** out of me. With Martin out I don't see who the Astros could give up to make a deal worthwhile for the Jays assuming they are not willing to give up Whitley, Tucker, or Alvarez (not happening). If the Yankees are willing to move Deivi Garcia, and that has a lot of smoke around it as well, then that's probably the best the Jays are going to do. Unless the Twins are willing to overpay.

Pretty big indictment of baseball that people just wanted one of these guys to win so they’d get paid. $550k for these two for the next two years is ridiculous.