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Feldman in 2016. Teoscar in 2017. Giles, Paulino, Perez in 2018. Whoever we got for Biagini in 2019. Atkins and the Astros trade deadline buddies.

Man I hope there are at least a few more trades today (Smoak and Galvis at least).

I liked Stroman until he endorsed Keith Law. You just don't do that.

I'd hold on to Sanchez unless a team offers something decent, and I say that as someone who can't stand him and his unwarranted ego. He will be a pretty cheap arb case next year, the rotation depth on the team is suspect, and he's a Boras client in a FA year next year. Combine those things together and I'd take a chance on keeping him in 2020. If he sucks again, then DFA him. If he's better a year from now, trade him. No real urgency to move him unless there is a decent offer.

Hopefully the Jays move both Galvis and Smoak today. I wouldn't mind Galvis sticking around if I felt he would be used as a utility/bench player, but he'd probably get a ton of AB's that would be better served for younger talent. Some team out there could use infield depth, and we already know teams showing interest in Smoak.

The lineup full of prospects and youth is at least going to be fun to watch the rest of the year, even if the pitching is going to be ass. Even Hernandez in CF is looking somewhat intriguing now.

Ok, adding Moss and Nova definitely makes it a better deal for Cleveland than what the Jays got. Atkins should have gotten at least one more piece from the Mets.

At first glance, I actually prefer the Jays return as well, and I thought it was disappointing as hell. I'm basing that off Puig, Reyes, and Allen, though. If there are more names, then I'll wait to reserve judgment.

Yikes, just read up on Allard. Yeah, trading an injured Giles for him would be disappointing, much less a healthy one. Probably a case of selling high by AA.

7 straight balls by SRF. Only 3 more to go.

Yeah that is a surprising return for Martin. There was a rumor that the Braves were interested in Biagini (3.5 years of control left). I doubt we could have gotten Allard for him, but he's younger than Martin.

Giles getting hurt sucks but the 3 days in a row thing still bothers me. He might have gotten hurt regardless but what a stupid f***ing decision by Montoyo. I agree, keep him the rest of the year and revisit a trade in the off season. The return will be poor compared to what it could have been tomorrow but whatever.

Semi related, don’t let Montoyo anywhere near Nate Pearson. I’m serious. Not even five feet.

Having Giles for only one playoff instead of two will destroy his value even if he’s healthy in the winter/next deadline. He will be expensive next year as well, likely too expensive for a rebuilding team like the Jays. He will be moved but the return won’t be very good. Damn.

I know I’m messing around.

Score more runs to make it a non save situation and then tape Montoyo’s mouth shut during the post game interview so he cant answer why Giles wasn’t used. It was a non save situation. Next question.

Yeah keep him and trade him in the winter for less. No other choice. Hiring Montoyo was done so somebody could be here when we lose 100 games, but he potentially killed one of our best assets with carelessness.

Unfortunately if Giles doesn't pitch, Montoyo will be brutally honest when asked why.

Teoscar has been really good offensively since coming up from the minors in June.

Well the one thing that makes the deal slightly less bad is the fact that there is absolutely no way Stro would have signed an extension here, nor would Shatkins have overpaid to keep him. The relationship with the front office was completely beyond repair. So while they didn't "have to" trade him, it was a case of diminishing returns the longer they held on to him. If an extension was actually realistic, then that would have changed things, but trading him now was basically the peak of his value. Doesn't make the return any less underwhelming, but the backstory about their relationship adds a new dimension to this.

Seriously all this position player talent up at once. Adding a capable CF to that group would be awesome, but it's a great starting point.

There are pluses and minuses to the way Atkins acted. JD apparently talked s*** to Beane in Oakland, and Beane wasn't having any of it, so they shipped him out immediately. It only took them three years to bounce back so no long term harm done, but that was a bad trade. On the flip side, Atkins took all of Stro's s***, probably in part to preserve trade value, and then moved him when an opportunity presented itself. If he had traded him the minute that "get out of this office, I'm only talking to Gibby and Walker" meeting happened, then he may have also made a reactionary deal out of anger. Would it have been better, worse, who knows? Regardless, there is a clear lack of respect towards Atkins by players. The players should not feel comfortable publicly bashing a front office. Either hire someone who can communicate to players as an AGM, or grow a backbone. Whether any of this changes my thoughts on the trade return, I'm honestly not sure. I wouldn't be surprised if Stro's value wasn't as high as we thought because of his low K/GB tendencies. On the flip side, I find it hard to believe no one else would top this offer, or the Mets couldn't have added something to the deal. It's entirely possible that Atkins identified SWR as the guy he wanted more than any other offer he was getting, and just did the best he could with that.

I think the disturbing part is it is becoming a trend to hear about an Atkins trade and say "that's it?". Atkins has made trades with smart orgs like the Astros and Yankees, so maybe that's part of it, but this is the f'n Mets. Brody is not even a GM, he is an agent playing a GM. If anything, get Kay and SWR, plus another lotto ticket or two. Getting a package that is industry-wide acknowledged as light, and throwing in cash on top of that just looks really bad. The players might turn out to be good, but that doesn't mean the trade was fair value. It also likely hurts his ability in future trades if other GMs view him as easy to manipulate. Like I said, the Jays draft so well and have been very good in the international market, so a risk averse GM may not be a terrible thing during a rebuild, but can he push us over the top when that time comes?

On the bright side, if the Jays get nothing for Sanchez, it would be justifiable given his value at the moment. I wouldn't trade him either. A Boras client will bust his ass to be good in his walk year. Sanchez sucks, but I'll take a chance on his 2020 season given how low his value is now. If he sucks again, then cut bait, but not like we are dripping with 2020 rotation options. Keep him and pray.