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I know this was sarcastic but it brought an interesting point into my head. JP talks about bad leaders in the club house in Toronto, but I'm sure if you were to ask him toward the end of last year what his role was, he would have said 'club leader'. So, is he actually in-directly (not purposefully obviously, as he's well documented to be pretty dumb) knocking himself?

In typical JP fashion he can't correctly identify the problem (In this case, him) It's no surprise he's having more fun, he's completely into a back-up role, before he was fighting not to lose his job.

"I don't feel like you're smart enough to know that your point is completely irrelevant to the actual thesis of my statement, which didn't rely on the comparative likelihood of a particular event, but instead on a distance from a threshold of probability far enough away to consider all such events past said threshold as "certain" not to happen. And the exaggeration re Goins and JPA was purposeful, so as to avoid anyone wrong-mindedly trying to debate the merits of a particular statement, rather than grasping the overall thesis of "improbable enough to be impossible, regardless of just how improbable." I think you're misunderstanding his notions of 'probability far enough away' It might be a sensitive issue Moogy, but the problem isn't others, it's you.

Let's at least see a few starts before the lynch mob comes out

When I played as a kid there was a short kid who did exactly that. He would probably be bad on d

I'm not sure this is true. Even wrc tells you a hr is better than a walk. The problem is it'd just much harder to get a home run. Maximizing your wrc is most likely related to being a 'safe' player making few outs. But internally I'm sure there are very few players who don't do this. Jpa is obviously one of the few Edit: I guess I ended up agreeing weird you but my main point was there are very few

As was mentioned by I believe you ( and I agree), saber is useful for the front office, and probably to a lesser extent ( and I doubt it has happened yet in a serious way) coaches. At the actual player level I highly doubt there is any, or that one could even find any evidence where this were true

I agree it would be dumb. Those are the two most used names here, and I see no reason why they are even being used in the same thread. I believe Ackley is another player who uses saber and it hasn't worked out for him so far... one could find lots of good and bad players who use and don't use saber. I really doubt there is much relation between ones numbers and whether or not they look at a saber stat.

Given that wrc+ is a summary statistic I really doubt it had made Votto a better player. My guess, as has been mentioned by others here is that he probably uses it as a good measure of his performance if he had to look at one stat. Actually looking at ones wrc+ offers very little chances to improve as all the factors are packed in, and thus it would probably be more instructive to look at the make-up of it to improve, and I wonder if Votto does that. As far as Jpa goes, it's hard to believe that using wrc+ would help him any as looking at the formula, hrs are more valued than walks ( it doesn't take into account, AFAIK the 'availability' of each, and someone of jpas mental stature may simply think he needs more hrs! This thread, however is quite dumb as the main posters are attempting to indirectly cite jpas ( one of the worst players) struggles as his rejection of saber stats and Votto ( one if the best) as his acceptance. It would seem much more logical to me that their difference is actually that Votto is good because he's talented and Jpa is bad because he's not. I can't suspect, to any significant level either of their wrcs would change if they looked at other stats. ( real question is: can Jpa even take walks??) But it's nice to see this forum still trying to win the $/war crown

Kershaw for Mccutch?

I guess we will never know, but I have to believe FA's simply don't want to come to Toronto

This team is going to be baaaaaad

It wouldn't be surprising to see him end up as a pitching coach in the league, though.

Part of it had to be the fact he didn't want to be mediocre. He used to get pissed going even 8. I believe he also had young kids getting older, so that could factor in

It's too bad it had to end for him this way. Still a great career, and nice to see his appreciated his time with Toronto enough to retire here

I can see him improving some at DH, but he wont ever be a great player.... Might fluke his way to a career 30 hr season as his peak if given many opportunities (If you were looking for the most likely case, its that hes released by August)

Jay-Z loses his first client about 40 million?

Part of my point is that I think in such a deal they can come close to improving this year, and for the short term future.

The Jays need to get in on this and trade them Jose. Get a few of those filler pieces and Walker (should be possible) and sign another OF such as Choo (Or a solid 3/4 OF combo for cheap with another SP). Jays need to remove themselves some from the win now mode and get involved in the teams doing what they did last year for Dickey.

Maybe we just give away Jose for someone to take JP