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How is saying he doesn't have an 80 hit tool drifting the other way? Do you still think he has an 80 hit tool? I literally said maybe he has a 70 power tool and a 60 hit tool... which would still make him good. I said he is having the same season as 2019 and 2020 which is literally true.

Not really. I watched the last 3 at bats, and was just commenting on them. I just checked the pitch locations on stat cast and I think I had them all exactly right just from memory. Not trying to troll anyone. He swung at bad pitches the last 3 at bats. This is a baseball chat board. We aren't allowed to comment on the at bats we watch? The 'Vlad to Indy ball' thread deserves to be bumped at this point. 2019, 2020 and 2022 are all basically the same season, with 2021 the outlier. It's starting to be obvious he doesn't have an 80 hit tool. He may have a 70 power tool and a 60 hit tool which combined will still make him a very good player, but a disappointment compared to the minor league stats.

Are you an idiot? I'm only talking about the last 3 at bats. How is this ********? Do you even watch the games? Maybe you are thinking of the first two at bats, where he popped up good pitches. In the last 3 at bats he swung at lots of bad pitches. At bat in the fifth - He got four straight balls. First two he took, then he fouled off one way inside, then he fouled one off border line but inside and high, then struck out on a border line pitch low, which probably was a strike. I am positive I got all the locations right here, just from watching but went back and checked, and yes 4 balls. 7th inning - took a ball way outside, then swung at a border line inside pitch (was a strike). 8th inning - swung at a pitch 6 inches outside strike, swung at border line pitch inside to ground out weakly.

Just need to get Vlad on board with this. The at bats I watched last night were terrible. Runners 2nd and 3rd 1 out - he took two balls then swung awkwardly at ball 3 inside. Then fouled a border line fastball back and made home plate lady not flinch. Struck out on a border line low change up. No pitch to really hit, probably a walk if he doesn't swing, or at worst a 3-2 count. Runners 2nd and 3rd 1 out - I believe he took a ball, then swung at a another border line pitch, 72 mph ground out. 8th bases empty - swung at a pitch outside, then weak ground out. I wonder if his wrist is bothering him? If so he needs a few days off. Otherwise needs the sports psychologist to sit down with him every day. Or just needs to have a new game plan. Swing hard but less. I'm not trying to be coach here, more like Captain Obvious, but the 4 years of Vlad have been just as much disappointment as greatness. In fact the so-called 80 hit tool has only been there for 2 and a half months. April to mid June 2021. Even though the last 90 games of 2021 were good, they weren't 80 hit tool good. 80 hit tool you expect him to take all these close pitches and barrel much more. It's actually Kirk who has the best 'hit-tool' on the team, Vlad still better because of the better power tool.

The guys I've named have similar minor league slash lines to Groshans. It's pretty common to hit for more power in the majors then in the minors. Even if Groshan's power doesn't come this year, it still might down the road. Plus the extreme lack of power is only through 100 PAs this year... lifetime in the minors he's more like a .150 isolated power guy, sort of a 40 doubles, 10-15 homers guy per 150 games which will work in the majors.

First game was summer 1985, don't really remember anything about it. First game I was a true fan August 1988. Fred McGriff hit a 450 foot homer into the end=zone at exhibition stadium.

Plenty of slap hitters have high walk rates. Like Kirk has the highest walk rate on the team right now, and is no power hitter. Brandon Nimmo. 2014 Matt Carpenter (before the ball started to get lively). Lot's of guys have hit .290 with 10 homers and 80 walks... maybe that's who Groshans will be.

He's been terrible and velocity was down today... not sure what is up. Injury?

So Arizona has 2 left handed hitting prospects that they won't give up... even for Moreno. Let's turn to KC. Benentendi and 3 big huge left handed hitting prospects in their top 4. All with warts maybe like too many ks and stuff. Melendez dude can he catch? I mean... I guess. Blah.. blah.. blah. Every team loves their own prospects. But is their no way to change a Groshans, or someone into the next Rowdy Tellez? OK. Groshans is hopefully better then Tellez. Is there no way to turn Groshans into a 23 year old left handed hitter than can help now?

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Not sure. Last I saw he was pointing out the Buxton was only hitting .200. Then boom. Gone off the face of the earth. lol. Who is better Buxton of Matt Chapman? Buxton I guess because he is closer to .200. Screw the advanced stats. Buxton pull % - 57% Laika advocating for a 'pull-dat-ball' team that ends up 2nd in homers but 7th or something in runs is interesting. With good pitching it would work. Would have worked in 2010 if they kept Roy.

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It's like he never watched the 93 Blue Jays, who won because 3 guys hit .330... or the 2018 Red Sox... or the 2022 Red Sox... all winning (2022 on their way) because their top 3 guys hit .330. I do admit there are lots of ways to win... having guys hit .230 with a .290 on base will work too if they pull a lot of homers and Gaussman and Manaoh put up 16 WAR together. Just glanced at Martinez, Devers, Boegartz fangraphs pages and they don't seem to be 'pull-dat-ball' to any special level. In fact they are pulling it less than Guerrero/Springer/Bo.

Stats scouting it Yeah... he has three years of control left right? Only wart I see is, like a lot of guys, not having a great start with the deadball. Seems to be mostly batting average driven. You'd probably have to add in another piece though.

Washington has some 34 year old Cuban. Hernandez. Left handed. Seems like he can hit a bit. Yadiel I think is his first name. He's maybe the Cuban Frank Catalanotto. He might not be that good. Should the Jays get him? Or maybe Ian Happ? What does Happ cost?

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They already model that because they model how each individual player would do. Not sure what you are trying to get at. All I'm saying is that it's unusual for a group of players to under-perform when they are all between 23-29. Individually you'd expect those over 27 to decline a bit, those under to improve. As a group you'd expect the sum of their value to either increase a bit from 2021 to 2022, or decrease just a bit (as the older players lose a bit, or the players having good 2021s regress a bitg). What's happened is unusual given their ages. Like In 2016 with Donaldson, Tulo, Edwin, Bautista, Pillar, Travis and others.... it wasn't unnusual that they declined as a group.. because as a group they were older.

Who is the new Rowdy Tellez? Some big left handed hitting dude hitting .150 who we can trade Trevor Richards for.

They seem to indicate they've moved people around a bit. "weÂ’ve reevaluated some aspects of the list by reshuffling the Top 15 slightly, moving some prospects up/down significantly who have earned it and adding a slew of new Top 100 names based on early returns through the first two months of the Major and Minor League seasons."

MLB claims they updated theirs yesterday.

If a top 15 prospect trade, Moreno for the next Ted Williams doesn't work, because teams view their lefty who hasn't appeared in triple a yet as Ted Williams then what about Fatty McFatty for a left handed outfielder at the same stage? Kirk for Kelenic? I probably wouldn't do that, because I think Kirk looks like he can hit, has a good eye, good contact and hasn't had a real hot streak yet... so super under-rated. Kelenic, from what I hear is a total mess. But what is else is there that's about the same value as Kirk but a left handed hitting outfielder?

Moreno is still ranked above Carroll on most of the prospect lists. You think the lists are wrong? Or just that it's too risky a trade ? I think on the latest MLB prospect report Moreno was 4th, Carroll 13th and Thomas 17th. Moreno and Carroll/Thomas could be the center pieces, with one team or the other adding to even out the perceived differences in value. Just seems when you have 3 right handed hitting catchers and no left handed hitting outfielders that can hit, you need to reconfigure the talent a bit. Prospect for prospect trades seem super rare, so maybe teams never want to take the risk.

Institute blanket policy that you get to wear the jacket if you do anything good at all. Get 3 more jackets so there is enough for every baserunner and an extra for the current hitter if he does something good. Everytime you get on base you get the jacket.

Call Arizona who have 2 top 20 left handed hitting outfield prospects and figure out how to change one of Kirk/Moreno into a top 20 left handed hitting outfield prospect. Call that guy up, his name will be Carroll or maybe Thomas. Even in the latest BA rankings Moreno is above Carroll. SO why not try to change him to Carroll. Call up Morris. Sit Gurriel and Hernandez sometimes. Line-up against tough righties is Springer Caroll/Thomas Vlad Espinal Bichette Gurriel/Hernandez Chapman Morris Fatty McFatty or Janson St. Louise had a couple of young left handed hitters of about Morris's experience doing fine...

If you weight it by playing time your team will always peak around age 27. Just weight the 20 year old that is barely playing, or still in aa, 0. Mike Trout and Carlos Beltran had their combined peak at 27 in 2012, when Trout was 20 and Beltran 34. Look at the question this way. Every group of players has a year when they are expected to peak together. For Ryan Tapia and Babe Ruth that would be around 1923. What year were Chapman/Gurriel/Guerrero/Bichette/Kirk and Hernandez expected to peak if you modelled it pre-season? Maybe the projection System already had them peaking in 2021.