saskjayfan

I might be in the minority, but I liked the runner at 2nd even though it didn't really work to our advantage last year.

Scott Boras to Carlos Correa. You need to be patient man. Carlos Correa to Scott Boras. f*** spring training starts tomorrow!

Nothing would please me more than to see the players vote yes and go against the executive council. They are close enough and there a ton of guys who still have to sign.

At some point if enough games are lost there will be teams that have lost enough revenue that if they have to pay for 162 games they won't make any money and they will just say screw it. Let's not have a season. It only takes 8 teams to feel this way, that the offers are overly generous and the prospect of break even or losses aren't worth it to give in to s***** terms in their opinion. It's a big game of chicken. How do you get this close and not finish the deal. Maybe they need a mediator.

This is a high stakes game of chicken and the owners could reverse course and the season could be lost.

How does this not get it done?

CBT now up to 230 running to 242. It was suggested bonus pool was up to 50 mil. We're getting a deal tonight so you better get used to the new bases. Ken Rosenthal should hopefully dropping the news soon!

OK, so fast forward to March 31 or April 7 and still no deal and time is now on no one's side. Who caves?

So which side will give up?

That's the problem. The spectrum of owners is all over the map. Cohen spending decisions have nothing to do with generating a reasonable return on his investment. If he breaks even or loses money he doesn't care. They players want 30 owners like this. Bob Nutting is the exact opposite. Rogers is public company. They will never spend money to a point where they will break even or lose money. Our case is a unique one because we aren't a small market. When we spend and win the revenues swell and can be incredibly profitable. When we spend and lose, we don't generate a decent return. It's a risk reward situation and we are more likely to see resets, but will spend when the time is right. CBT going too high just stacks the deck for the Yankees and Dodgers. The majority of owners realize this, even large owners like the Angels don't want that shift in power. Moving higher on the bonus pool and minimums is the path to a deal. They might move very marginally on CBT, maybe up to 225. I just don't see the majority of owners going much higher when you hear 4 owners didn't want to go to 220. They need to find a way to penalize tanking teams. You can't be in the draft lottery more than 2 years in a row. If you win less than x percentage of games 2 or 3 years in a row your international signing pool is cut in half, or revenue sharing is reduced if you don't achieve a certain winning percentage over a 2 or 3 year period. The simple thing would be implementing some sort of floor. I feel like if you had punitive measures for tanking and implemented a floor of 90 mil with expanded playoffs you would address a lot of issues. Teams will still reset and build for a couple years. It is possible that I want a floor because some team who wants to lose next year would actually approach us and take on Grichuk. Hey we need to take on salary, but we still want to lose. Can we get Grichuk from you!

If you and Spanky ever want to get drunk and argue about baseball on a youtube live thing, I might pay to watch that!

The union are extrapolating revenues when there are real issues and clear headwinds. They are fighting for more competitive imbalance. With the competitive imbalances that have existed over the last 20 years they industry has lost fans. The world series averaged 25.47 million viewers in 2003. It averaged 13.91 million viewers in 2019. That's an alarming drop. Regular season tv viewership in 2021 dropped 12% from what it was in 2019. Baseball has gone from being the number 1 sport in America to being passed by the NFL and are now 3rd behind the NBA and soccer is catching up fast. Teams that never win lose fans. People get sick of the same teams winning. Cable companies bundle packages and people that are really not that big of sports fans end up paying for sports channels where baseball is shown and baseball collects revenue. Streaming is a real threat and people are cancelling cable. Less subs and with less viewers that means less revenue from advertising. I feel like 5 to 10 years from now things could be dicey when TV deals come due and the revenue growth certainly won't be what it was in the past. There are some terrible owners like Nutting, who is just a cheap bastard who refuses to spend when he can, but there are markets like Oakland and Tampa that have challenging local revenue propositions. Increasing the CBT too much is just a recipe for disaster as far as competition goes IMO. There are things they could consider with revenue sharing. 48% goes into a pot for local revenues and is split evenly. For the teams that receive far more than they put in, instead of splitting that money evenly give more to teams who perform better. Reward Tampa for their success. If they go an extra 20 or 30 mil from revenue sharing they could spend more on salary to keep players. For the Nuttings of the world, if you're not investing in the team and you suck you're not going to get as much revenue sharing. Invest in your team and the other 52% of your local revenues will increase and so with the revenue sharing money you receive because you performed better on the field. The Yankees, Dodgers, Sox and Mets said yes to the players weeks ago. They aren't holding out. It's the small market teams that aren't going to give up competitive balance and hand advantages to franchises they already can't compete with. The season will be lost if the players don't give up the CBT fight. They got massive increases in player minimums, a new bonus pool and they got rid of draft pick compensation. You're not going to get everything done in one deal.

He liked to play poker and he splashed an F U picture or something like that with spelled with 100 dollar bills..lol. Wasn't he permanently banned? It's not like he didn't understand the game, and he did actually go to quite a few minor league baseball games. He was crazy arrogant though, but that can't be the reason he was banned off this board..lol.

The problem is owners would be fine with a May 1 start date as long as players only got pro-rated salaries for the 140 games the players actually play. The players will want to get paid for 162 games. There isn't going to be a season. Time to find a new sport to watch for the summer.

Yeah, but Texas, Detroit, Seattle, Angels, Twins and Royals will all spend more. The Rays are a unique team. In a year in which they win a division they get almost the same revenue as a year in which they finish last. They averaged 14,552 fans in 2019 when they won 96 games and averaged 15,879 fans in 2016 when they won 68. Most teams get much better attendance and revenue when they play well. The Rays are an Enigma. See you all in 2023 for the exciting Feb labour negotiations. The my god, we just lost a full season, we can't afford to miss games to start 2023 talk should be fun.

So what are the details. Draft lottery, likely moderate increases in draft pool allotments. Min salaries up to 700K. A 23% increase, not bad. A bonus pool 40 to 50 mil for pre arb players. No draft pick compensation. Massive win for the players. CBT going to 220 for 3 years and then 224 and 230 in the last year with the same tax levels as last deal. Only 3 teams have meaningfully spent over the luxury tax anyways. With Cohen owning the Mets there are 4 teams that will blow past the CBT levels the Yankees, Sox, Dodgers and Mets. Most teams won't come anywhere close. Super 2 looks like it's not changing. 12 team playoff. I'm sure I'm missing some things here.

Freddie is a decent baserunner though. There's worse thing than having a dedicated DH that will be a 35% to 50% better than league average hitter from the left side that doesn't clog up the bases. I guess it comes down to contract though and length. If you could get it done for 5 years and avoid that 6th it's definitely intriguing.

Ha ha, I've watch all the games at the bar. I've even converted my English buddy to being a Canada fan. Now England still his number 1, but he's lived here 20 years now and has citizenship. He knows all the players on team Canada and has watched all the qualifiers and quite engaged in our team. The last window is basically a formality. I doubt we'd need a single point to qualify, but I'm hoping for a repeat performance!

If the owners were smart they'd use the revenue from patches to given to 100% of players in a pool where players making under 5 million dollars a year split the revenue equally. That's like 75% of players and optically would seem appealing to the vast majority in the union adding about 100K in salary to the those players.

Alejandro Kirk 2020 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RvxR9TGyPU Alejandro Kirk 2021 Alejandro Kirk 2022 https://ne-np.facebook.com/101179485051362/photos/pcb.474370947732212/474370777732229/?type=3&theater Black can be deceiving, but Kirk looks fitter and stronger to me in these photos.

and you're coddling the balls of Max Scherzer....got it.

TV viewership dropped 12% from 2019 levels. Streaming services are a serious threat to lucrative MLB tv deals. Players already benefit from owners like Cohen who aren't treating this like a business. If he was he'd want a min profit of 300 million and the way he is spending he won't come anywhere close to that. Many owners do view it as business and want to generate a reasonable rate of return.

Super 2 is currently 22%. Players asked for 100% and moved to 80 then 75. They also asked for a bonus pool of 100 and when they reduced the amount they from 100 to 80 they asked for the bonus pool to increase to 115. When they lowered to 75K they tacked on an additional 25K per year in min salary. They aren't moving at all. In total dollar terms they are actually asking for more with their most recent ask. The owners have given up draft pick compensation a big win for the players. They have agreed to higher minimum salaries another improvement. They have offered a bonus pool for pre arbitration players. They have offered a modest increase on the CBT. What they are offering is significantly better than what the previous deal is. Can they offer a bit more, sure, but the players are making ridiculous asks and aren't coming down off those asks.

They players asked for x amount for minimum salaries and then they increased the amount they asked for. They are moving in the wrong direction. On what planet do you think the players are being reasonable?

If the players don't move off their desire to eliminate revenue sharing we're never going to get a deal.