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Even with Gomes and Aviles on the bench with all that has gone on were needed pieces . The failure of the player development / scouting departments to recognize Gomes,s talent behind the dish isn't really on AA

With what AA said about health I think we can comfortably know that Morrow, McGowan, Sanchez and Janssen are gone. Sanchez in spite of what AA says will be in the bullpen. Very short sited but with their jobs on the line it will happen. AA will add 1 bullpen arm like Gregerson (that type) and some arms that have options. Depth and defense is a huge issue but the Bull pen does need help.

If I were Morrow I would go there. Searage has proven to be the best pitching coach in the game currently.

Absolutely, We needed both those players in the infield. that was they worst deal in AA,s history even IF Rogers had paned out

137 million is enough as many have posted but as BTS pointed out when the Marlins deal was done it isn't enough when Buehrle and Reyes are eating up 41 million of that unless you have the farm producing a lot of high talent cheap additions.

No I do get it. The optimum use of the DH is to have position players rotate thru the position whether it be Reyes or Melky or Bautista. We don't even have enough above replacement level position players to fill out a line up card let alone the DH role. In my dreams I would add players like Headley or Hanley and Melky etc etc but I also dream of having the yankees budget and a top 3 farm system and a rotation that includes Corey Kluber and Kershaw and KC,s bullpen. Then i wake up and realism sets in and no matter how I try to replace Lind,s bat at 6.5 million i can,t. Obviously you are so much smarter than me and you can.

Moogy ,I totally understand your issue with Lind eating up a bench position. We all get it. I have yet to see a fiscally responsible replacement.

If Buehrle gets moved it will be a salary dump and none of that money is coming back into the team unless they are taking some salary back in the deal. Add to that the inability to attract free agents and where does AA spend it unless he hugely overpays which he has shown he won't do. A lot of reasons to not like Toronto as a destination for FAs. Country/border, turf, AL East,s small ball parks and limited secondary income potential. Gillick finally made this organization a place players wanted to play thru winning and reputation. Rogers and Retardi totally destroyed that with their actions and words. Wish I could find the BA article on that.

SSS on the votes but either there is a lot of sarcastic voting here or a lot of optimists. The thread on Rogers financials make me wonder if they even get in the 120 to 130 mil range. Pelly kept saying there was money but the truth came out when all the news reports said the jays could not take on any more salary at the deadline. Attendance dropped 161 K which put them 15th on the list. Had they signed Santana I believe the Hype alone would have caused a gain in attendance and paid the extra salary Create some hype this off season and I believe att. will go up.

Not very many thinking Melky will be back including me.

thx for the link. Wow he had high praise for Pompey. Even praise for Goins. Didn't think Bautista would be that political.

When I heard they fired him this morning I just knew a thread like this was coming. The ugly thing is a lot of casual fans would agree.

Volquez, Worley, Lariano, Ray Searage has done a damn good job.

Most missed poster Kirksaw RIP Kirk longest running poster on the jays board

How about talent in the organization when he started vs talent now. Look , He is far from the best GM out there and yes he has made some terrible deals but the talent level is much higher than 5 years ago. Are we better off with a new GM? I don't know. I called for Retarded,s head for 8 years and AA brought such a breath of fresh air to the Job that I give him the chance to finish his 3 year plan.

So your saying Terry Ryan should be fired for the Nolesco deal. Cashman would be long gone several times over. In fact i can point out bad deals by every GM in baseball with a little research. There are certainly better GM's than AA around but is the team better off with a new GM today or better to stick with AA another year. Most on this board would fire him now when all the talent he drafted is about to start playing in the Majors. Can he put together a roster that can play meaningful games in Sept? Remains to be seen but i wasted years calling for JP Retarded,s head because we had a bottom 5 farm system every year and AA fixed that in one draft. I still expect Beeston ,AA, and Gibbons gone but I'm not sure we will be better off.

And he may still get the axe. I really look forward to again having a 28th ranked farm with no money like we had in the Retardi days

Come hunting with me Boxy. LMFAO

And Ownership. Rogers gets the chance to show they want to win or if they just want to make money

Now Boxy . You know full well the statement was " HAS AA BEEN VINDICATED " You leave out the HAS because you are one of those guys who like to run people down to build yourself up. You always attack a few of us who you classify as OLD . Does old make us any less baseball fans Do you think this builds you up in the minds of the young kids on this board. You laugh but I retired at age 54 because I was smart enough to work hard invest well and can now afford to travel where I want , hunt and fish all over the world and watch baseball eventually at every MLB stadium . I think I'm having the last laugh And now while you slave away I'm going bow hunting.

melky came back from serious back surgery Pat

Always positive Boxy

now Boxy most know you and Smoky are one and the same. Just once I would like to read one positive post from either of your personas And so many of you sit on your computer and think you can draft and add pieces just with a click. They run down 95 5 of the GM's in baseball and think they can do a better job . Those types are the jokes!

I don't expect them to move him but i like some sort of deal with KC. They need a starter and Happ in that big ball park should do OK . Happ/Davis type of deal. Both make around 7 mil.

Not sure if this was posted TORONTO—Something happened on June 3, when Dunedin was playing at Jupiter, that accelerated righthander Kendall Graveman’s rise through the system. Kendall Graveman Kendall Graveman (Photo by Mike Janes) Roving pitching instructor Rick Langford happened to be with the team, and they were talking about how to attack lefthanded hitters. “We were talking about how we need a fastball that stays true into them so the ball doesn’t run back over to the middle,” Graveman said. “So we started throwing some four-seamers, and about the fourth inning I threw one and it cut really good and I felt a little bit of a difference. I threw another one and Chunny (catcher Derrick Chung) actually missed one of the pitches that I threw and he said, ‘Man that’s really good. Why don’t we just start calling it a cutter and we’ll start going with it that way and start pitching with it?’ For the next two or three innings I was getting a lot of weak contact from righties and lefties.” Graveman, Toronto’s eighth-round pick in 2013, allowed five hits and two runs over six innings for the win, but more importantly added an effective pitch. “And with a little bit of a grip change, not very big, and then figuring out how to pitch it to both sides of the plate, it has complemented the sinker very well,” he said. “The velocity has been good with it. I think getting off barrels has been a lot better. They just can’t look for one pitch in one zone. For the most part, I think that is the one thing that has helped me advance so quickly.” The progression led to quick stops at Double-A New Hampshire and Triple-A Buffalo, and then a callup to Toronto. “Kendall’s rise through the organization is amazing,” assistant general manager Tony LaCava said. “He moved level by level this year and exceeded expectations along the way. He signed as a control-style sinkerballer, and the addition of the cutter really set him off. Signing scout Brian Johnston deserves a lot of credit for identifying him.”