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I'd still take Miller over Shoemaker even if I'm contending.

To each's own. Miller and Perez for sure - they are younger, have higher upside and have had success at a younger age at the big league level. Griffin, if healthy in Oakland is a solid starter, and Chacin is just a year removed from a 4.4 WAR season in Colorado. Considering that all those guys are younger, have higher upside, and have had more success than Shoemaker, I think I'd take any of those 4 over him.

Yeah a healthy Griffin definitely. I'd be on the fence with Chacin, though his 2013 season was solid - 4.4 WAR and he's only 26 still. If he's healthy, I've always liked his arm.

I've seen a lot worse teams managed in dynasty over six years, and thats from regular and active posters on this board. Not going to name names, though I wouldn't be worried on how Gibbers operates his team especially only after two years.

I'd take Shelby Miller, Martin Perez, a healthy Chacin and Griffin over Shoemaker.

I'd take his team over yours easily. At least he several young talented assets on his MLB roster instead of just Matt Harvey and Oscar Taveras.

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Gibbers didn't even make a trade though...this came from talking about Donaldson.

Derozan won't get $25 M a year lol. As for Amir demanding $12-15 M per season, then I'd say the Raps go in a different direction at PF. I like Amir, though they could easily replace his production at a lot less. Patrick Patterson!

Did anyone get NBA 2k15? It's awesome!

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I'm looking forward to a full season of Stroman, and I expect Hutch to improve in 2015 as well. Along with Dickey and MB, who might not be aces, though at least they are durable and can provide 200 + quality innings. Happ looks like a solid No. 5 starter, and with Sanchez and Norris in the wings, the rotation has a lot of depth. Likely MB and Happ are gone after 2015, so the Jays will need to fill two rotation spots, so hopefully Sanchez and Norris are those two and pan out. The Jays have a young, cheap and controllable rotation moving forward which is a plus. I feel more comfortable signing a big FA bat to a 5-year contract over a big FA pitcher. EE and Bautista are two elite bats - and I'm sure not many teams have 3-4 hitters like Bautista and EE. Reyes can be better, no doubt. And if Lawrie stays healthy, he'll provide value. And who knows if Pompey explodes? I don't mind Gose in CF since he provides a lot of value with his defense. And like you said, there are solid contributors in the fold like Lind, Cecil, Happ, Loup etc - if the Jays add more solid contributors, at second or third base, in left field, in the bullpen and strengthen their bench with guys who can hit and have versatility, then 2015 doesn't look all that bad. It's a solid roster mix they have.

Agreed, though I'm sure hitting at the RC is better than hitting at Safeco...last time I checked.

Are we talking about Longoria?

Yeah I recall Wheeler and Kane were taking quite high during the draft. Wasn't Wheeler taken at the end of the first round? That's absurd.

At least he has a strategy, compared to some other managers which don't.

As for Donaldson, I don't think the Jays could afford moving all those young pieces for him. They still have plenty of holes on their roster and will even have more come 2016. Depleting what is already a weak farm and with the tight payroll constraints they already have, I don't see a deal like this working.

That's a solid young core he has, better than some other teams in the DDL. I'm sure Chris moves Harrison in the offseason and adds more young pieces to that talented group.

I don't have a problem with giving Saunders a chance in LF, since he can play all three outfield positions. He's still young, and he'd be hitting in a much better park.

Yikes!

What if Stanton becomes a True Cardinal? http://www.stlcardinalbaseball.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/giancarlo-stanton-cardinals-marlins-rumor-stlcardinalbaseball1.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0708/mag_giancarlostanton_800.jpg We can both agree that Donaldson doesn't have that bod!

Stanton's fault that he got hit by a pitch in the jaw I assume? In terms of moving forward, Stanton is a better asset. Donaldson has peaked and won't likely be a 6-7 WAR player again. Even Steamer has him down for a considerable regression next season.

What if Donaldson continues to decline every season over the next 4 years?