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Don't mean to sound argumentative haha if it came across the way. But yeah for the most part, I think we both agree and are on the same page that they would have to spend a lot and have a busy offseason in order to get back into contention. I think if they make some big moves, along with a Bo rebound, Springer playing like he has over the last 2 months and Vlad playing at an elite level like he has, under the current WC format, this team could contend over the 162 game season. - Definitely gotta sign a No. 1/2 starter which is a must. - Need to sign two big bats with pop for LF and DH. If not Soto, there are plenty of options like Santander, O"Neill, Pederson, Teo, Conforto, Kepler, Goldschmidt, Christian Walker. - Need to add at least two solid bullpen arms with high K/9 rates. - 3B: either roll with Clement or make a trade for someone like McMahon or Baty. I don't think there would be enough in the payroll to sign either Chapman or Bregman.

I also agree that with an active offseason and a couple of swift moves, the Jays could field a contending team in 2025.

The way Snell has pitched lately, he likely gets a 4-5 year deal north of $100M. Would rather spend the extra money to sign Burnes, or bring back Kikuchi on less years. Also, would try to sign Bieber to a 2-year deal with a high AAV, even if he misses the first two-three months of 2025. Tyler O'Neill should have been targeted last offseason. Regardless, I don't see him getting a 4-year deal given what we saw the market was like for corner OF's and DH's last offseason. Maybe a two-year deal or at most he gets something similar to Jorge Soler. O'Neill or Pederson would be great targets for LF/DH. Kenley Jansen likely doesn't sign here, neither does Scherzer if he decides to pitch again next season. Try and make a trade with the Oakland A's for either Brent Rooker or Mason Miller or both.

Need to sign someone like Burnes or maybe Bieber (likely will miss the first month or so). Not opposed to bringing Kikuchi back as well. Would rather sign Kikuchi than Fried or Snell.

What a pitching dual last night between Chris Sale and Blake Snell. Both combined for 13.1 shutout innings and 23 K's!

Angels in the Outfield with an all-star cast! Such a baseball classic! Danny Glover Joseph Gordon-Levitt Matthew McConaughey Tony Danza Christopher Lloyd Adrian Brody William Dear played the Blue Jays manager in the movie.

Going to watch Angels in the Outfield instead.

Out of his 16 home runs this season, he's equally hit 8 HR's at home and 8 HR's on the road this season.

Why were you rostering Kris Bryant? lol. He would be the third most valuable position player on the Jays season. He doesn't suck.

McMahon would be the third most valuable player on the Jays this season at 2.2 WAR, but alright he sucks!

IKF all of a sudden had a breakout this season. He's never produced at this level prior to 2024. I think posters were more mad at IKF starting at third base because the FO did very little to improve the lineup this offseason and instead focused on more defensive minded players, which was saw backfire huge. IKF turned out to be a very solid signing (see I give Atkins credit when it's warranted). McMahon at $11.67M over the next three years is actually very reasonable and he can opt out after 2025 or 2026. If he has a big season, he likely will opt out and could get more money. What has this lineup struggled with this season? Home runs! Like you don't get it and ignorance is on some other level. They need some pop and if McMahon offers 20-25 HR's along with strong defense, that helps a lot lol. You can't build a one-dimensional lineup/roster that is only defensive oriented.

Has IKF ever hit 24 HR's in a season or has he ever had multiple seasons of 2.5 WAR or better? Just asking. IKF is at $7.5M whereas McMahon is at $11.67M (with a conditional opt-out after 2025 and 2026).

Dylan Carlson in his first 8 games with Rays hasn't been that bad. Still very early, but I could see Carlson being a decent OF option for them.

Nothing wrong with Ryan McMahon at third base if you want a left-handed bat who is solid defensively and has experience. He's going to give you a WAR between 2.5 and 3 most likely with 20-25 HR's. Nothing special offensively, but still a solid option nonetheless. The Rockies likely don't trade him anyways, since logic doesn't exist with that organization. Baty is younger and has more upside given his age, but has very little experience and has looked overmatched at the big league level. If the Jays plan on not contending in 2025, he's a fine target in hoping a change of scenery helps rejuvenate his bat. If the Jays plan on contending, Baty can still be a decent option if the Jays decide to spend most of their payroll elsewhere like resigning Vlad to an extension, finding a bat for LF and DH and a top of the rotation arm. Having him platoon with Clement wouldn't be a bad thing, if the Jays need to allot money elsewhere on the roster. As for Jake Burger, defensively he's awful but if you brought him in mainly as a DH who occasionally could play some 3B alongside with Clement, not the end of the world. Not my first, second or third choice, but he does offer some raw power, which is what this lineup has really lacked this season. Since July 1st, Burger has posted a 191 wRC+ which is tied for 8th best in all of baseball and leads all of baseball with 15 HR's since! Jays could definitely use a bat like that.

I said it looks like he's going to be a bust. I acknowledged that he's still young enough where he's worth rolling the dice on if the acquisition cost is reasonable. If the Jays decide to spend big money in the rotation and other areas in the lineup such as LF and DH, I have no issue with the Jays acquiring Baty and having him battle or platoon with Clement at 3B.

If the acquisition price isn't expensive, rolling the dice on Baty and having him battle for the 3B job during ST with Clement isn't that bad of an idea, if the Jays decide they need to allot money elsewhere on the roster such as resigning Vladdy, OF and the rotation. Looks like he's going to be a bust, but he's still young enough where you might be able to catch some lightning in a bottle. Just wouldn't solely rely on him at 3B heading into 2025 if the Jays are planning to contend.

Baty has looked pretty overmatched at the big league level and I don't think he would be a "great target" given the team planning to contend in 2025. 68 wRC+ in 2023 over 389 PA and a career 72 wRC+ thus far. Sorry to "s*** on your suggestions," but I will. Sound familiar?

The renovations definitely play a role. A lot of young people in Toronto and casuals think the outfield patios are a cool area to chill and hang out. As for events in Toronto, next weekend the CNE starts and there is also the Kings Plate at Woodbine. Otherwise in terms of sports, not much other than the odd Argos game or TFC game. Leafs don't start until October and NFL starts second weekend of September.

A lot of flex packs or season tickets were sold last winter when there was all the hype surrounding the Jays signing Ohtani. I even know a co-worker who bought season tickets last October/November because of the Ohtani rumours. As well, it was a beautiful weekend here in Toronto. Not too humid at all, so really perfect conditions to go watch an afternoon game where you won't be sweating or boiling because of the heat. Even for casual fans, seeing a Jays game on a Sunday afternoon, chilling at one of the outfield patios, and drinking $20 beers, is something to do and an afternoon out, regardless of how the team is performing. Haven't checked StubHub recently for Jays tickets, but wondering if they might be a lot cheaper than the box office, since perhaps some flex pack or season ticket holders wanting to unload their tickets for some games.

Yeah geez don't remind me. Was at Game 2 and still can't believe the Jays ended up losing the way they did. Should have been a Game 3 in that Wildcard series.

Was watching the game last night cuz Skenes was pitching. Yeah LA is a nice fit for KK. Hope he can make a positive impact for them down the stretch and in October! Fits in really nicely as a 4th outfielder there, which what his roll should have been with the Blue Jays this season.

It's all Raimel Tapia's fault!

Jorge Polanco could play defense!

Wonder if the A's trade him this offseason lol. Imagine Miller at the back of the Jays bullpen haha! Damn!

Which top of the rotation arms would you target during free agency? Shane Bieber would be interesting if he signed a short term contract to build back up some value. Is he expected to miss the early part of 2025? Couldn't find anything. Burnes is the best arm available and is someone who would slot into the No. 1 spot of the rotation. Not crazy about giving Blake Snell or Max Fried a 4-5 year deal. Would rather bring Kikuchi back. Not sure about Flaherty if his season is for real, but maybe the Jays see him similar to what Gausman was when the signed him after the 2021 season. What's the trade market like for top of the rotation arms?