John_Havok

Me neither. The best we can hope for is they identified him as a guy they think they can tweak into more pop quickly...otherwise, its a wtf addition

Free agency isn't a guarantee to get what you want when everyone other team on baseball (except a few ) are also actively looking at those same relievers. It's also even more likely you end up with a multi-year deal with a volatile asset dragging on your payroll, or just plain hurt and contributing nothing... a true sunk cost. I've been looking at all your replies and I understand the premise of what youre trying to say, but there are several assumptions about this team's ability to just pluck talent out of thin air and develop it, which makes it (in your view) inefficient use of prospect capital to acquire relievers with control. You'd rather the Jays gamble on the teams ability to attract and sign top FA relievers when available, or develop more internally. Problem is... the Jays havent been able to develop any relievers consistently on a year to year basis in the past...decade until maybe the last 2 seasons with Fluharty being the only true member of the current pitching roster fully developed internally. Yariel was already a pro Cuban pitcher so I don't really count him. Little was a successful reclamation project, so thats good too so I think its trending in the right direction, but they still aren't a pitching factory yet. Fisher is a good sign but his development was like 95% in the Dodgers system. So, today, I submit it makes more sense for the Jays in their current situation to not purely look at rentals and still grab a great looking controllable reliever when they can, even if the value comparison in a vacuum tilts to the other team. If they become a reliable franchise capable of churning out home-grown relievers on a year-to-year basis, rental additions make far more sense

It can still happen. But the Asian players have to forgo their own draft to do so. I don't even know if its happened before now even once

This assumes guys like Fisher grow on trees and that we have enough equivalents of Craig Biggio's kids around to dump, and that they're always going to be in a position to dump and there's a team willing to take them. I don't have enough faith the Jays development system that they can do this year in and year out yet.

I'd say, "good thing we don't have to trade him then" By the way, they traded for Fisher. If anything it's a decent example of Atkins being able to identify extremely useful relievers. Yeah Fisher's stuff was obvious given his K rates in the minors but he also walked the planet at the same time. They took a guy walking 8 per 9 in AAA and got him down to 2.3 per 9 in the majors in less than a year.

Fisrt off, Ignore that other guy, his ideas are about as solid as a soup sandwich. Manoah has options so he doesn't need to come back to the 26 man roster. He can do his thing in Buffalo and earn his way back once the rehab stint is over

Hopeful yes. Confident.... no, but that could just be my inner pessimist personality rearing its ugly head.

If he gets a shot back at starting, that somewhat offsets the pain of losing Rojas. I really liked what he was bringing to the table. Rojas himself could have been challenging for a starter's role next season.

So.... the Twins have traded.... Varland, France, Correa, Duran, Jax, Castro, Coulombe, Stewart, Bader and Paddack. Do they even have enough players to field a team tomorrow? Gonna be a shitload of frequent flyer miles cashed in by the FO tonight

Quick savant scouting on Varland... throws 98 heat, gets a ton of ground balls, doesnt walk a ton, but gives up avg exit velos. gets a lot of chase, but only slightly above average whiff rates. Could certainly benefit from the strong D of the Jays The only real surprise/shocker here is... he does NOT throw a splitter.

Im not ready to call it a "great" deadline, but.... needs were , Pen help, rotation help, and RH hitter. In that sense, mission accomplished. But is every addition in those categories great??? I'm not sure. I like the relievers, but neither is of the truly "elite" ilk we needed, but either way it makes our pen REALLY deep. Bieber solidifies the rotation very nicely, and if we get his 90th percentile outcome... that's a home run. Ty France.... is .... a RH bat that plays good D at 1b and has fairly neutral career splits and has the speed of Kirk. Not a "great" addition, but it fills a bit of a need for a guy they can just stash on the bench and let him pinch hit and f*ck off for the night. B- deadline grade?

I'm kinda puzzled by the Ty France thing... Varland is great but... France doesnt even mash lefties ... his only real strength is defense at 1B.

Is there a team that hasnt made a trade yet???

It would make a ton of sense to have it over All-Star weekend, but... the Baseball HOF loves doing it's own thing

Top level troll job by that guy. Bravo!

hmmmmmmm This is what Atkins was cooking.

He could be backfilling AAA since Ali Sanchez is up here...That would be weird though. They also need a 40 man spot for Beiber when he's ready but if this move was for that... it's too early, so it probably isn't about that. Atkins has something else cooking for sure.

you have literally 0 clue about how Atkins is perceived by other GMs. This post is actual trash lol

Preller and Atkins are like... polar opposites of the GM world.

I love Preller. This guy just DGAF

I would really love to be inside the war rooms of these orgs just to hear all the s*** they must have to sift through

I feel for the Pirates fans. They get to watch their org completely waste one of the best pitchers of the past 20 years and an electric and marketable talent like Cruz because their owner is a cheap POS and their GM is Cherington.

I get the feeling for sure, but ... gotta keep in mind we have no idea what these other teams were asking from us. As you know, it's not like FOs are just looking at top prospect lists and thinking "we need to get a top 50, and another top 100" or... "we need at least 2 of their top 10... etc, nor do we know what other teams are prioritizing. Clearly Cherington was looking at catchers (at least it seems that way) in return for Bednar... Jays just don't have any catching prospects worth a damn right now. It could literally be that simple (and stupid imo) as to why they didnt match up regardless of where the ultimate return is on a prospect list vs our guys. We do know theres a ton of "We like these guys better than others"... because that's how it always works. Why they value the others could be any number of things... maybe their minor league scouting staff has way more looks at certain guys than others... maybe the few times theyve seen our guys they had bad games... there's like an infinite # of reasons really...

Cherington probably hyper focused on a catcher... can't really explain it other than that

Relevant from MLBTR The White Sox haven’t found an offer to their liking for center fielder Luis Robert Jr. and are increasingly likely to hold onto the outfielder rather than move him before this afternoon’s deadline, reports Mark Feinsand of MLB.com. ESPN’s Alden Gonzalez hears similarly. If the Sox hold onto Robert, they’d likely be doing so with an eye toward picking up his $20MM club option for the 2026 season. It’s a risky gamble, given Robert’s lengthy injury history and the lack of production he showed throughout the entire 2024 season and the first two-plus months of the 2025 campaign. Robert has performed considerably better of late, slashing .278/.361/.472 (130 wRC+) over his past 123 plate appearances dating back to early June. The ChiSox sat him for three straight days in early June as part of an effort to get Robert refocused on his mechanics, and whether due to that brief reset or pure happenstance, he indeed looks much like the peak version of himself. It’s still a small sample of plate appearances, however, and Robert has frequently missed time due to injury in the past. There’s been interest in the talented 27-year-old, but not to the point where teams have been willing to offer up the sort of prospect(s) the Sox deem sufficient. A healthy two-month finish to the season for Robert could both boost his trade value in a more meaningful way and make that $20MM club option (a net $18MM decision, considering the $2MM buyout) look more palatable. At the same time, the White Sox run the risk of encountering a scenario where Robert again falls to an injury or sees his recent production at the plate erode. Under either circumstance, exercising that $20MM option wouldn’t be all that enticing. Chicago’s payroll is quite clean, however, and even if his option were declined Robert would surely receive a big league contract as a rebound candidate. The Sox, it seems, are willing to run the risk of overpaying for his 2026 season by several million dollars in hopes that he can boost his value down the stretch or in the early portion of the 2026 campaign. The Phillies, one of the teams that had been pursuing Robert, acquired Harrison Bader from the Twins earlier today. Other clubs that have been tied to Robert include the Padres, Reds and Mets. SNY’s Andy Martino reported recently, however, that talks with the Mets had stalled as of late last night.