John_Havok

Astros closer Josh Hader was unavailable to pitch last night, and manager Joe Espada revealed after the game that the left-hander was nursing some “discomfort” in his shoulder. Houston is now awaiting imaging results and will presumably provide an update later today.

Uh oh... hype train is starting up Pontes says Sanchez's numbers and data are comparable to when Junior Caminero was in the DSL.

There would be a difference though if Ohtani knew of the gambling and gave him the money to do so, or... if the guy just took Ohtani's money, gambled, then felt like s*** and told him about it after, and they tried to help out and "cover it up" so to speak. Hard to say really. It could be something as stupid as Ohtani giving the guy money, he gambled it without Ohtani's knowledge, felt like s*** about it and only told Ohtani later. That's possible. So is the other side where they were both sitting there at the computer betting on the WNBA. We don't know. Critical thinking also requires that once we arrive at a conclusion, we question that conclusion with other possibilities.

If nothing else happens in this thread. please let it be known I may be the first human being to actually get Grant to say the words "You are correct, I was wrong."

That's fine. Knowing his interpreter was gambling ... and him gambling himself are two widely different things. It's far more plausible that the situation is exactly what the interpreter said first, that he was gambling on non-baseball stuff, sucked at it, he told Ohtani, and Ohtani tried to help the guy out by paying it off. That's probably far closer to the truth than anything that came out days later after the spin machines kicked in. So, if that's closer to the truth, how is Ohtani the bad guy?? Stupid... yes. Some evil mastermind who chucked his buddy in jail to cover his own gambling problems..? Unlikely. (but still within the realm of possibility)

He's probably on Epstein's list.

Literally nowhere in that article says his spokesman or the Dodgers said Ohtani was gambling ... as you asserted in your first post above ... "the first scandal where his spokesperson and the Dodgers both stated that Ohtani himself was gambling" ....and have now changed to "Ohtani was aware of the gambling" Maybe that was a typo in the first place? Or did the goalposts just move?

Of course people would have suspicions. But, it's also entirely possible the interpreter did everything himself and Ohtani was just way too trusting. People tend to expect others to act exactly as they would act in similar situations. Most people I've talked to in person about the Ohtani thing don't even believe he would give his interpreter access to his bank accounts, because ... they would never give anyone access to theirs so therefore he must be guilty. But, they also have no idea what it's like to be a guy like Ohtani, with more money than a "normal" person can even fathom, having it come from dozens of sources, going out to dozens more, and have no idea of the relationship Ohtani and his interpreter had. Some people are incredibly trusting. Point is, suspicions are just suspcions. People as a whole need to worry less about suspicions, and more about facts.

And you do realize that most people that live on the internet love to latch onto allegations and just believe them 100% without actually reading anything other than headlines... not to mention the bots that are just used to create fake comments on everything. I'm sure there are people that hate Ohtani. I acknowledge the possibility that he did what he was accused of. I'm just not gonna choose to hate based on allegations. But you forgot Trevor Bauer. He's probably the most hated guy right now. There's a guy who I can completely understand people hating, even though legally he may not have done anything wrong.

Find me the sources where the Dodgers and Ohtani's spokesperson said Ohtani was gambling.

I just wonder how they set the bar at 45 degrees. My guess would be they took a sh*tload of video where checkswings happened, did some measurements on the majority of them that were called swings based on the umps feel and then roughly averaged where all those bats were... and came up with a number? Seems like 45 degrees is a bit steep though, like... i can't look at that check by Ohtani and not feel like he went.

It's gotta truly suck to be famous for those reasons. Of course there's enough upside to it also but... It's entirely possible to donate a ton of money, get a great camp set up, help tons of kids every year... and have nearly nothing to do with anything with a camp other than your name being on it and your money being donated, and one bad hire of a creep and suddenly your name is being dragged through the mud.

Had to look him up as I had almost forgot he existed.. his power stroke early on had really started to show up. 7 HR in 85 PA.. nearly doubling his entire minor league HR totals over the course of a month.

Universally hated villian? This isn't even remotely true lol. Never change Grant. Never ever change.

Also nice to see guys like King, Pinango and Stanifer jumping up there. Arias would likely be higher if he had any international pedigree on him when he signed.

Meh. Guys like him get sued all the time for ******** just because people see a payday. From the article it also sounds like his manager was the douchebag, but yeah Ohtani is gonna take heat for it for sure. Also, I'm no real estate mogul, but I'm willing to bet this kind of thing happens all the time.

7-6 now. Don't take your victory lap quite yet. Though I truly hope you end up being right

Thats a fine way to think, in general. But the Jays best players against LHP are not the same as their best players against RHP 1-9. The only guys that should be in the lineup 100% of the time with zero weight put into their splits with regard to starting are Bo, Vlad, Kirk, Springer, Santander (assuming health), Varsho and probably Lukes. Theur plave in the batting order should certainly change though. Varsho has some split issues, but should probably start the majority of games just because of his defensive prowess and the fact that Straw doesnt really give an advantage against LHP vs him. Giminez has fairly neutral splits, but they're just average, so when a lefty is up and you have a better option that doesn't suck on D (Clement or even Schneider), its defensible to make a switch. Clement and Barger both have very sizeable split problems that make it advantageous to deploy them more selectively. The great thing about the Jays right now is they really don't get dominated by lefty pitching so even if Barger, Varsho, Lukes or Gimenez don't start vs a lefty, chances are that lefty isnt going to be around very long and they'll get into the game anyways.

Cuban SP Sylvano Hecchavarria also promoted to Vancouver

Ya don't just ignore platoon splits because its getting late in the season. Whats the logic in changing the process that got them to there they are? Yes, id alter the lineup a bit too, just not drastically

MLB prospect re-ranks just came out Yesavage 26 Parker 41 Nimmala 51 Organization top 10 Yesavage Parker Nimmala Tieddeman King Stanifer Pinango Bloss Arias Schreck

That is a plus for sure

Probably doesnt mean anything tbh. If they have plans to bring him up in September the only things that matters to them is his innings and pitch counts...not if he starts the games in Buffalo or not

Shooting right the system like a bad batch of egg salad. Ya love to see it.

Thats just it, the playoffs, and how they're structured with the off days basically level the playing field. Depth doesnt matter nearly as much. The top 3 starters and top 3 pen arms from team to team in the post season don't really have a massive gap. I think the Jays are probably the deepest team in the AL... but none of that really matters in short series unless all kinds of crazy s*** happens