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God the MVP is such a lightning rod of debate. I dont care about the award either way but I'm curious on the SABR heavy crowd's insistence that MVP be translated literally (and I feel like debating something out of boredom) But one thing I think that gets missed, is its a one year award. There's plenty of old school stats therefore that can unfortunately be relevant.. even interpreting the meaning of MVP literally.. how a tradiionalist would I mean like say batting avg.. more specifically why would BABIP matter? If we are looking at the season, we are only looking at results. What does good luck or bad luck have to do with it? So say a guy that's sitting at .390 on BABIP and it helps him to big numbers.. when he usually hits around .280.. its wrong to say either side is wrong in how they view that. Also, situational hitting.. if a guy hits .450 with RISP and it helps him pad the sexy RBI stats that voters like.. we should disregard cause its not sustainable?.. even though its unarguably helping the guy's team win that much more in that given season. Or a guy should be penalized for coming up 50 more PA's (successfully) with RISP then the next guy? He's helping him team win a lot more than the guy that isnt getting the opportunities... this is 2013, we have to be fair and equal I guess? FB% that go for the HR.. you get the pitcure.. So there's that from a tradionalist perspective.. thoughts? Im really just throwing crap to wind here for debate:) Also, on team W's.... this one is harder to argue I guess besides the human element. I guess voters like seeing good players do well when it matters. Kind of like how many BJ fans like myself tend to care much less when their team is doing bad (please no getting called out by Gibbers now!)

Wasnt that he was great. But looked like he could be an innings eating, solid mid to back-end guy.. At league min. Save the $ for someone worth it

There were people on here thinking Alvarez would outperform MB as soon as this year. I know I was trying to bet BTS on it. Injury cost him though. But contracts considered, its not close...this year and going forward I mean. Could have used a good chunk of that cash for A. Sanchez, who most liked and had HA around still as very good #3-4 guy for cheap Of course, i admit i thought JJ had a super sexy year in him.. That was way off obviously

I think Ruiz may be a real possibiity.. In other news no-hitter for Henderson Alvarez!!.. Oh wait.. Marlins blow and havent scored..lol

You're basing that you "know" this massive step forward is coming based on what? Not saying it cant happen but your evaluation is dripping in homerism. He's not an ELITE prospect. There's some raw ingredients there obviously showing talent but let's not pretend he's an elite propect that gets the convo started for a franchise cornerstone. I saw this mentioned on here awhile back but he would be the nice centerpiece for a guy like Howie Kendrick. I remember most ppl on here being against that.. and honestly in 3 years when 80% of the pitchers with AS's profile dont amount to squat, they would be pretty stupid. Although I will say Jays are too far away to make that move. But if they signed Ruiz and Jacoby or something, then would be diff.

I just object when Sanchez is mentioned for guys like Sale. Not saying there arent teams out there that are intrigued by his potential. But honestly, think of if we had Sale and we traded him for a guy like Sanchez (who we could look at objectively if he was on another team) and guys like Nolin, Hutch added on.. wouldnt be many happy campers

"Effective immediately, I have relieved Larry Beinfest of his duties so that he may pursue other opportunities. lol..so PC.. "I let him go so he could purse other opportunities cause Im a nice guy like that":)

Aah.. the coming off-season and the homerism it brings.. package 4 glorifed org guys and that = franchise cornerstone. People should also see Sanchez for what he is. A fringe Top 50 guy still finding his way through A-ball at 21 (22 next year) with command issues and still developing secondary stuff. Exciting for the team that drafts him to see if he can reach his potential but you arent trading a superstar for that as your main bait. If I'm moving Sale its for guys like Walker, Wacha, Taillon +.. that sort of thing.

I think last year's same discussion centered more around what "mvp" actually meant and less about WAR. While none of us know and there are some exceptions (mostly media friendly guys like Ripken and such).. Smart money seems to show team performance is part of the voter's formula. While that's not ideal if you want to determine who the "literal" mvp is, thats what it is. Trout will be heavily penalized for LAA sucking..MC will be MVP in a formula-less system but 2014 will still come..hopefully Jays dont suck so bad again:(

Well if we're throwing crap out there.. Jacoby in CF, Rasmus to LF woukd be pretty sexy;) Maybe Jays can break the bank a bit. Imagaine JE and Reyes 1-2.

yeah, I havent seen but prob true.

Big pass on McCann. Not worth the big contract. Ruiz. His issues should really f up his contract demands.

If I have to face you in playoffs next week, I will be more than happy if that abnormality happens again:)

this should drop you out of top 100 prospect status..this equates to a 22yo OPS'ing .600 in AA ball..

Yeah, makes you think of all time worst admissions.. Andy Pettite comes to mind. "I was coming off an injury and I took one shot of hgh and just decided I would never use it again..I'm very sorry".. think it went like that and he hardly got the cheater label.

Very true. Not possible to get those levels with glorified Androgel. He even lies in his sincere confession

Cruz has been on the clear decline in the field and on the bases the last 3 seasons. His only asset being a power bat, which is now highly questionable in terms of what to expect next season when you assume he's totally clean. It was a clear team upgrade without having to lock themselves in on a major new deal. Is there a risk, certainly.. but a good move I think

Yeah but you wont ever get to compare Reyes to Kawasaki in that way because Kawa sucks and wont ever get that kind of sample size to show. Kawa is terrible and this is the only situation where I think WAR can be stupid when you start having a Reyes vs. Kawa debate with a straight face. As for moving Reyes to 2b.. his bat would play there and it still would be ok deal.. but please God not for Kawa's sake.

Does miltstar come on here?

[if I'm running a baseball team, I would want near guaranteed production for my 8 figure players. You get enough volatility out of your prospects and your league min young players and your pitchers. Let them boom or bust, and with the other 90% of your payroll, have the piece of mind of knowing what you're paying for. Let's be fair and specify the 8 figure deal is 2/26. Would anyone be shocked if he had a 3-4 WAR season next year? Of course he could also be a little below average but 2/26 isnt a big risk to take.

He gets more hate on here than he prob should just because of his time in TO but he's a very solid player. He's just coming out from a terrible slump, he could still wind up giving 3 WAR on the season. Also, he just isnt hitting as well (he was to start the season) but the stats dont show his legs are going out from under him, so projecting a big drop off next year doesnt seem fair. If he did get to 3 WAR, that would mean he gave 3+ WAR in 6 out of the last 8 seasons. Rios isnt a star but he's a good player. I think it's a real good move for TX.

In an opp to pimp one of my fantasy players (and I guy I've always liked), it should be noted that even though Jered Weaver gets a lot of hate for being a glorified "junkballer" nowadays, he's pitched at least 7IP and given up 1 or less runs in 6 of his last 7 starts. Including starts against BOS, STL, DET, and TEX.

Where is ksaw? He was so positive MG was worth a C prospect at best

Quick note. Im at the next two games with my son and jays are 8-0 when we've gone.. So if anyone wants to bet their farm, now is the time:)

Probably trolling but in Melky's defense, he did post a respectable .821 OPS in May before he hobbled through June. I don't think he's a lost cause.