GeorgiaPeach

And Canada is a nice country, yet small hindrances still prevent MLB players from looking at Toronto as a preferred destination.

It's all a matter of personal preference.

I wouldn't do that.

August 2nd 1969. Mark Belanger, arguably the greatest fielding SS in the history of baseball made 3 errors in one game. Now go f*** yourself.

I just turned 10, so not really.

I hope so. It would be nice to make a trip down for some playoff baseball.

It's like me saying I remember some starts where Halladay got his brains beat in while with us....definitely not the best SP in baseball at that time.

Longoria's kinda like Ripken. The positioning and steadiness of making plays is underappreciated. Plus playing in Tampa doesn't help for the recognition he should be getting.

I was thinking the same thing, but upon further inspection he's a shoe-in.

IMO, if the Jays offer less than the QO Johnson could look at it as a slap in the face from an undesirable location to play ball in Toronto and say "f*** you, I'm signing elsewhere". No pick and no player at a reduced rate. And seeing as Alex is afraid to overpay in the FA market. We either go with an in-house option A (Hutch or Stroman), pursue some piece of s*** FA that's more a #6 like Redmond as Option B, or Option C trade even more of our farm away for a 50 year old Jamie Moyer because the fans know his name. I'd prefer option A, but Option B or C would likely be Beesto.....errr Alex's suggested course of action.

If the LA Dodgers were willing to give guys like Uribe 8M, Capuano his contract, League his contract and Josh Johnson's out there for 8-10M, we're not getting him back. And if Johnson comes back and has a somewhat respectable year with us on his one year deal, I'd be willing to bet he turns down the next QO to look for bigger money.

Sorry, got mixed up with back and forth discussion of offering not offering and the value. I'd offer him the QO.

You also have to factor in the value of the draft pick.

And why would they need to with Montero inked long term

As I usually do I left very little time to do much else on my baseball trips. Plus my wife came with me and as little the baseball she could see, the happier she'd be. We stayed a half hour outside Williamsport in Lock Haven, and there's not really much to do anywhere close to anywhere there. If I do the LLWS again I'll have to include a Pirates or Indians game into the trip. It was very cool to be there, witness and take in the level of fundamentals of these 12 & 13 year olds along with their crazy talent. But I felt I needed more to the trip.

I'm not really a fan of banking hopes on 25 year olds making their MLB debuts and turning into a Bautista. It really is ridiculous.

You're really smearing what I consider a casual fan.

But that small portion of the fanbase that disliked the Marlins trade, is the fanbase that cares. So discarding their opinions is pretty dumb. The casual fanbase is the much larger fanbase, but the flimsiness of each individual casual fan means nothing to me, nor should it to the Jays. It takes an awful lot and long time to actually entrench the casual fan and get them seriously interested in the team. So in 2 or 3 years when the team Alex assembled this year is 3 years older and easily the oldest team in baseball and none of the players worth much in trade and its time to dismantle....how many of those excited casuals will be around when the Jays start sucking ass....mmmmm none. The Jays sped the process up to go for this 3 year window or whatever it is, and pretty much forfeited any chance of winning outside that window. Alex sacrificed the future for the now. In 3 years unless a miracle of epic proportions happens, this team stinks and the farm is maybe in the Top 15. And those exuberant fans will be nowhere to be found because they want a winner. You can't be blind to see that the direction of the team changed drastically. Alex went from making shrewd, creative moves like nabbing Olivo and turning him into a comp pick, to making two large moves that pretty much any GM in baseball could make. Why has Alex completely stopped making creative moves? It's like he's given up?

At some point in the near future this will be a tough task for Alex to accomplish. By assembling an old, expensive team, Alex either needs to be able to wave his magical VW wand and deal these 30-something's who are much less desirable and valuable than their prime. And while selling low on them he still needs to add talent at the same time. Otherwise there's gonna be some down years for this organization, because of this urgent approach to drum up fan support which will disappear just as quick as it appeared when the down years happen.

IMO it's Beeston who needs to step down. The two paths the organization has taken since Alex took over are very different. You have the very creative pick acquiring, prospect loading up on, value based, up the middle strength, future-outlook path, where Alex was very vocal and talking all the time about the moves he was making. Then it careened into the uncreative trade everything we just acquired, for old expensive players on the downswings of their careers, losing all the value gained through past trades and created this little box of a window to contend path. And Alex doesn't talk much anymore. It's almost like Beeston interjects when he pleases (Farrell to Boston, all Beeston & Boston ownership) and the man knows f*** all about what's going on in baseball right now. Essentially Beeston snipped AA. Beeston always talks of the 92 & 93 teams like we're still living in that time. And gushes about the veteran teams and the stars/HOF'ers we had. Times have changed Paul, and old teams aren't the way to go. And unless Toronto intends on being a Top 5 spender you pretty much have no shot to contend ever with this retarded vision.

If the reasoning for those experiments was anything other than there was heavy trade talks at the time to acquire a 3B than it was a f***ing stupid experiment. The rationale of "he's in a slump at the plate and we're gonna try to shake things up by moving him to another position he failed at in the past, off a position he's strong at now" was lunacy.

I wonder why its only white players Cito had problems with? Green, Olerud, Snider......odd you never hear of him trying to force Delgado to become a dead pull hitter. Or having Hitting Coaches make sure Delgado never got to use the Cages on his own or with someone Cito approved of. Its a shame Cito constantly throws out the race card when he himself has shown numerous instances of racial favouritism. The guy is a piece of s***.

There's way more Leaf fans than Jays fans.

Well then its all on the players. Early in the year I listened to a lengthy segment on the Fan with Chad Mottola who preached using the whole field...working counts etc. If the players aren't taking good advice, which what Mottola was saying was good. Then its on the players who are all adults to adhere to coaching instruction.

Ruben Amaro recently found the reason to the Phills debacle.