GeorgiaPeach

I'd be willing to bet if the Jays ended up having to rebuild.....they'd still go down the stupid path again once the farm was ripe with prospects.

I know some fans for a fact who tear up when the thought of Bautista retiring in a Jays jersey crosses their mind. And honestly its f***ing gay.

What I meant with the Angels was, you don't ride out stupidity to the bitter end, just because you thought it was a good idea. At some point the GM if he's the one who f'ed up should take responsibility and switch gears if the old plan has gone off the rails.

Winning sells tickets in the Toronto market, so why even suggest a 3 year window to do something? If a GM's job is to always be trying to sell tickets then there should never be times to go lean and have firesales. As for Alex, I loved him as a GM up until his retarded trades. I honestly find it hard to believe he all of a sudden went from making creative moves and value trades to being a full blown retard. Something happened beyond his control and he changed course. And if it was a push from Beeston to make an immediate splash to sell tickets and get name players on the team then maybe Beeston needs to take a walk and the Jays need a President more in-tune with baseball and not being a f***ing goof.

At some point it has to be time to abandon ship. And if riding out this three year commitment to the end is what they plan on doing....I don't know what to say. It would be like the Angels saying...."well, we got ourselves into a bit of a pickle with Hamilton & Pujols, but lets ride this out till 2096 when their contracts are up and we'll start over then."

This off season is make or break.

Abysmal way to run a team.

If the plan is to keep heading down that path and after failure in a couple years they're like "we're gonna go young and rebuild" and carry on about how good the farm is", what good is that? It's like the f***ing USA who every year hypes the s*** out of how scary the raising of the debt ceiling is. Its like, ya, ya I've heard this story before, now f*** off. As for it affecting me.......I don't know where you get that from. When my bosses instruct me to go down a path I know is wrong....I'll give my rational for why I don't think I should. But in the end, I can't really refuse otherwise they can impose discipline if they feel it necessary. As for your example, if Beeston gave Alex instruction to spend like crazy or go crazy making the MLB team better, why ignore free agency options who are younger, cheaper, better? If Rasmus & Bautista are traded for MLB ready pitching, besides Gose "replacing" Rasmus, who replaces Bautista in the OF? Melky's already a huge question mark for 2014, and our internal options have major question marks themselves. We may have an ultra deep solid staff, but the OF would be amongst the worst defensively & offensively in baseball.

If the team keeps heading down the old, expensive, wily vet path, I hope the organization goes off a cliff. f*** everyone for a good 4, 5 years.

The thing that bugs me is, you have fans who ridicule the Sox & Yankees for years and guess what the Jays are in the same boat now with a junky ass team.

For B, didn't you suggest trading Bautista? If that's the case I'd want nothing less than a superb package of "prospects" coming back. Sad thing is I think this team is built for the next couple years on extreme veteraness. f***, I hate windows to win. But the funny thing is when a team comes out and defines a window to win, the fans love it because they think...YES!!!!! we're going for it over the next 3 years. But they're oblivious to the cliff after that 3 year window. And then when the cliff is staring them in the face they get all upset.

I'm never a fan of option B or C. I was happy with where the team was before they went and got all stupid, so A.

You're just realizing this?

Its the only reason I want the Tigers to keep going. Driving or flying to the other cities for a LCS or WS game would be a little problematic

If the Tigers win, anyone going down to an ALCS game in Detroit?

Obviously the lion share of results stems from the players talent and fundamentals and what they;ve learned through their Amateur days and early pro careers. Them also being receptive to suggestions, philosophical changes or constructive criticism of their approaches is also extremely important. If you have a team of lunkheads or stubborn players, you're f***ed. When it boils down to it, who knows how Greg Colbrunn has affected the Sox hitters. Have they regressed, have they improved.....who knows. I'd prefer as a HC like I said a Johhny Mac, David Eckstein or Reed Johnson over a Joe Carter anyday. I want someone who I could see had a grass roots approach to hitting. Who worked the pitcher when they needed to, who used the whole field, and could explain the importance of what they were trying to do even though it may have likely failed more often than not due to lack of talent or tools.

Your physical skills comment triggered a question of a common thought.....The ones that can, do and the ones that can't teach. But is that more of a the guys who just don't have the physical talent to be much, but are still a fundamentally sound player......John McDonald, Kawasaki, Bill Muellar on the more talented end, Reed Johnson. Or is it possible to have players with major holes in their playing career game. Who obviously never adhered to advice in correcting those holes but played with them nonetheless. Take Carter as the example for his name being brought up. He was a talented player, but as a HC does he identify that as a hitter he got burned over and over with down and away breaking balls and as such he's gonna teach players not be susceptible to that? Or is he gonna teach players how he approached hitting and we'll have a bunch JPA' & Rajai's getting burned just like he did. And if he is gonna teach them the right way, why on earth did he never listen to his coaches and close up that gaping hole in his game. Same goes for Barfield, I remember him doing cameo's in the booth years back and totally getting frustrated at the Jays K'ing and not taking a different approach with 2 strikes. It's like wait a minute Jess', if Rob Deer & Reggie Jackson weren't around in the day, you would've been the king of K. So lets not start casting stones too quick there.

I would switch allegiances to another team as my fave' if they hired Carter to be the hitting coach.

Or if we only had players who weren't deadest against hitting jacks.

Mottola's message via an interview on theFan early in the year was work counts, get on base, use the whole field, yadda, yadda. And we all know Murphy's message. So the only consistency is if Jose & Edwin needed their own personal HC that got them right then Murph' can stay consistent with them. And Mottola everyone else.

Can you imagine there being no Major League hitting or pitching coaches? MLB may cease to exist, because these elite baseball players wouldn't know how to hit or pitch. Everything they'd learned and the talent they have would all be thrown out the window. f***, can you imagine the Jays not having Cito Gaston at the helm in 92 & 93? Dave Winfield, Morris, Alomar, White, Olerud, Molitor, Stewart, Cone, Carter.....etc...etc the Jays may have been a last place club without Cito. My thoughts are, have one Hitting Coach. He comes in learns all the players tendencies, because there's no purpose overhauling a veteran's approach. From there the coach tweaks, gives suggestion and works with the hitters on their games. Video work, scouting reports are also important. I don't see the need to have two different people doing the same job. And if the players are so soft they feel like they need their comfort blankey of Dwayne "quota" Murphy, then maybe they need to go elsewhere.

I agree. And I hope MLB doesn't have any say in keeping the quotas for minorities in coaching/managing. Just hire the best f***ing person for the job.

IMO his responses to Bob were "I hear what you're saying, but we're gonna continue on having bad approaches at the plate because we're a homerun hitting team and we're not gonna change." He really tried to subtly defend the fact Bob called the players out on a piss poor approach with two strikes. It sounds like Alex has given up. As was mentioned earlier its like he has this political sit on the fence, tap dance talk. It doesn't sound like he has a plan anymore....very different from two years ago. Kind of a reactionary attitude to what's going on with the team opposed to the proactive approach from years ago.

As much as I hated the idea and thought it was comical to have 2 HC's, I believe there's another team in baseball I saw on a broadcast that also employs two HC's. Just can't think of who it is.

Just listening to Bobcat's PTS interview with Anthopoulos. I understand not throwing your players under the bus. But how can Alex seriously try and defend the Jays hitters by them not having a different approach at the plate when they have two strikes on them. Seriously...."we have a Homerun team" to justify the bad AB's. Yeah, but when you have two strikes you still shouldn't be looking to hit a f***ing jack into the upper deck you f***ing loogan.