Red Sox (Gray) vs Blue Jays (Taillon): 08/10/26, 7:07 PM

[Masterbather]

Still don't really understand what the confusion was that led to that kind of delay. 

The Blue Jays threw to the wrong base and the guy scored before the appeal at first and wasn't himself appealed. What's the confusion?

What is Schneider talking about regarding them not having a chance to appeal the guy at third? Once Vlad stepped on the bag at first there was no chance to appeal anymore, the inning was over. Even if they tried to appeal at third there's nothing to appeal. There's no fourth out in baseball.

Ridiculous that people were confused and ridiculous that the delay was that long. This was pretty simple baseball.

[Jays24]

19 minutes ago, ComeTogether said:

Watching the top of 7th again. 

We talking about 2015 against Texas in the Bat Flip game? Lol

[Omar]

16 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

Still don't really understand what the confusion was that led to that kind of delay. 

The Blue Jays threw to the wrong base and the guy scored before the appeal at first and wasn't himself appealed. What's the confusion?

What is Schneider talking about regarding them not having a chance to appeal the guy at third? Once Vlad stepped on the bag at first there was no chance to appeal anymore, the inning was over. Even if they tried to appeal at third there's nothing to appeal. There's no fourth out in baseball.

Ridiculous that people were confused and ridiculous that the delay was that long. This was pretty simple baseball.

How is doubling off the runner at first base throwing to the wrong base? Also the runner at third base did not tag up yet the run still counted.  You dont see why this would cause confusion?

[bronson44]

24 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

Still don't really understand what the confusion was that led to that kind of delay. 

The Blue Jays threw to the wrong base and the guy scored before the appeal at first and wasn't himself appealed. What's the confusion?

What is Schneider talking about regarding them not having a chance to appeal the guy at third? Once Vlad stepped on the bag at first there was no chance to appeal anymore, the inning was over. Even if they tried to appeal at third there's nothing to appeal. There's no fourth out in baseball.

Ridiculous that people were confused and ridiculous that the delay was that long. This was pretty simple baseball.

I think even after the 3rd out was recorded at 1st they could have appealed to 3rd to get it on the record that the runner left early (or in this case didn't tag at all) so they would officially wave off the run. Maybe I'm wrong. They didn't because the ump made the call to wave off the run even though it wasn't and everyone left the field thinking it was over. Just a clusterf*** all around.

I still think the ump should be able to make that call without an appeal when it's as blatant as this was.

[Omar]

Jays claim several players were asking for an appeal but the umps waved off the run and instructed them to go to the dugout and that they would discuss. Ostensibly denying the opportunity to appeal.

[bronson44]

2 minutes ago, Omar said:

Jays claim several players were asking for an appeal but the umps instructed them to go to the dugout and that they would discuss. Ostensibly denying the opportunity to appeal.

If that's true then that is ********. I guess lesson learned is when there's weird things happening just throw the ball around the horn and touch every base to be sure but still dumb as hell

[bronson44]

Anyway, it's the talk of baseball right now. I'm watching the Angels/Rangers game and they said they were going to talk about it on their postgame lol. It's all over everywhere.

I got home and tuned in while it was being reviewed in New York and I was so confused what was going on. After the replay I was even more confused. It just seems nonsensical to award a run without even tagging.

[G-Snarls]

 

 

[hanton]

Watched it again and from numerous angles, Bateman made the catch and looked a little confused so he threw the ball to Josh Smith at 2nd who then threw to 1st for the 3rd out.  After Bateman made the catch but before the 3rd out was made the runner at 3rd scored. (makes no difference if he tagged or not)

SWR and BV were the first ones off the field followed immediately by the rest of the Jays, I didn't see umps make any motion - they remained on the field.

I think everyone was distracted at both runners taking off with only 1 out

Had Bateman come up firing to 1st that run might not have counted 

The runner at 3rd just left early so it's up to the fielding team to appeal, it's like a runner missing a base or back tracking and forgetting to re-touch.  No different - if u don't appeal the play stands.

Baseball.

[John_Havok]

2 hours ago, Smokinitup420 said:

U can’t score without tagging up 

Commin misconception. You absolutely can if they don't appeal

[John_Havok]

7 minutes ago, bronson44 said:

Anyway, it's the talk of baseball right now. I'm watching the Angels/Rangers game and they said they were going to talk about it on their postgame lol. It's all over everywhere.

I got home and tuned in while it was being reviewed in New York and I was so confused what was going on. After the replay I was even more confused. It just seems nonsensical to award a run without even tagging.

Its no different than if a guy leaves early before a catch and the defense doesnt appeal. He scores without tagging up. 

The 4th out rule is on the books for this exact play

[G-Snarls]

Nobody wants to win this AL West game 

[bronson44]

4 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

Its no different than if a guy leaves early before a catch and the defense doesnt appeal. He scores without tagging up. 

The 4th out rule is on the books for this exact play

I get it but leaving early is really the only time it's used. I feel like the ump should be able to make a judgement call if a tag attempt is not even made and the guy is 4 feet off the bag but I guess it opens up other crap in that case. Seems silly but it's the rule. Even if told not to appeal they should have just done it anyway I guess. 

[Masterbather]

1 hour ago, Omar said:

How is doubling off the runner at first base throwing to the wrong base? Also the runner at third base did not tag up yet the run still counted.  You dont see why this would cause confusion?

Because the right base to ensure the run didn't score was third base.

The runner at 3rd scored as a result of going to the wrong base. You have to appeal, why were they throwing to first base to begin with? Because they are appealing. Everybody understands the appeal play.

If you understand why they were throwing to first to get the third out you should likewise understand why they should have been throwing to third instead.

[Omar]

You are missing John Schneider's point about not been given the opportunity to appeal.  The home plate ump did NOT signal that the player from home scored as he crossed the plate.  If the umpire would have signalled that a run scored (which is his job) then the Jays would naturally appeal.  They were denied that because the ump didn't perform his function.

[Masterbather]

1 hour ago, Omar said:

You are missing John Schneider's point about not been given the opportunity to appeal.  The home plate ump did NOT signal that the player from home scored as he crossed the plate.  If the umpire would have signalled that a run scored (which is his job) then the Jays would naturally appeal.  They were denied that because the ump didn't perform his function.

It did seem like the umpires were confused as well for some reason. It was pretty obvious that the runner had crossed the plate first, anybody who knows what's going on should have been looking out for that. I don't know what motion the home plate umpire made, I didn't see a replay that showed any motion, but you also can't assume based on no motion at all. 

But it also didn't seem like any Blue Jays player was in any way aware of the situation so it seemed like they were all running off the field anyhow. I don't think any of them were even looking to the umpire.

Either way there is no reason for that kind of delay. They ran off the field and didn't appeal, whatever the umpire did or didn't do they would have established that in a matter of seconds and made a decision on that.

[Laika]

Remember also the scoreboard being wrong and displaying two outs... Many players and umps thought the catch ended the inning 

[Omar]

The scoreboard is controlled by mlb not the Blue Jays.  Adding to the confusion. 

[Masterbather]

6 minutes ago, Laika said:

Remember also the scoreboard being wrong and displaying two outs... Many players and umps thought the catch ended the inning 

I have to believe the umpires knew how many outs there are because they are the umpires, and the Blue Jays knew well enough to get the appeal at first. Some Red Sox players, specifically the runners, may not have known but they acknowledged after the game that that's on them.

[G-Snarls]

The Red Sox have now lost 3 in a row for the first time since June when they were swept by..... The Toronto Blue Jays 

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, Laika said:

Remember also the scoreboard being wrong and displaying two outs... Many players and umps thought the catch ended the inning 

On the radio broadcast, they said the scoreboard was corrected right as the ball was hit in the air.  The radio broadcast also said the home plate umpire had signaled to start the warm up clock for the Red Sox shortly after the 3rd out was made at 1st base - which is why the Jays were arguing they weren't given a reasonable amount of time to appeal the play.

 

 

 

[Brownie19]

I have a question.

If the guy on 3rd knew there was only 1 out and he did tag up and score, but the guy on 1st thought it was 2 out and he mistakenly keeps running.  The Jays throw to first, to double him off, but the guy tagging scores before the throw makes it to first - does that run actually count?  Is that timing play?  

I wouldn't have thought so, but based on what happened last night, I'm not questioning myself.

[Laika]

18 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

I have a question.

If the guy on 3rd knew there was only 1 out and he did tag up and score, but the guy on 1st thought it was 2 out and he mistakenly keeps running.  The Jays throw to first, to double him off, but the guy tagging scores before the throw makes it to first - does that run actually count?  Is that timing play?  

I wouldn't have thought so, but based on what happened last night, I'm not questioning myself.

MLB needs to close up this loophole.  It's moronic.

The run counts, this scenario is spelled out in the rulebook

APPROVED RULING: One out, Jones on third, Smith on
first, and Brown flies out to right field. Two outs. Jones tags
up and scores after the catch. Smith attempted to return to
first but the right fielder’s throw beat him to the base. Three
outs. But Jones scored before the throw to catch Smith reached first base, hence Jones’ run counts. It was not a force play.

[Brownie19]

4 minutes ago, Laika said:

The run counts, this scenario is spelled out in the rulebook

APPROVED RULING: One out, Jones on third, Smith on
first, and Brown flies out to right field. Two outs. Jones tags
up and scores after the catch. Smith attempted to return to
first but the right fielder’s throw beat him to the base. Three
outs. But Jones scored before the throw to catch Smith reached first base, hence Jones’ run counts. It was not a force play.

Thanks - I didn't know that.

I now understand why the run counted last night.  It's the same situation, only we didn't appeal that he didn't tag up (or left early?) from 3rd.

It's insane how many players on the field didn't know how many outs there were.  

[max silver]

10 hours ago, Masterbather said:

Still don't really understand what the confusion was that led to that kind of delay. 

The Blue Jays threw to the wrong base and the guy scored before the appeal at first and wasn't himself appealed. What's the confusion?

What is Schneider talking about regarding them not having a chance to appeal the guy at third? Once Vlad stepped on the bag at first there was no chance to appeal anymore, the inning was over. Even if they tried to appeal at third there's nothing to appeal. There's no fourth out in baseball.

Ridiculous that people were confused and ridiculous that the delay was that long. This was pretty simple baseball.

This was anything but a simple play. The broadcasters had never witnessed a play like this one and it was apparent that the umpires didn't have an easy answer to this play either.

[Laika]

It is just one of those sports plays that SEEMS COMPLICATED live but when you look at it after the fact, it really was simple. 

They just never appealed the runner leaving third base early. 

[John_Havok]

7 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Thanks - I didn't know that.

I now understand why the run counted last night.  It's the same situation, only we didn't appeal that he didn't tag up (or left early?) from 3rd.

It's insane how many players on the field didn't know how many outs there were.  

Yeah true.

I think the thing that hangs up anlot of peoples brains on this type of play is that players being caught not tagging after a fly ball is a force play when it's not. Only force outs as the 3rd out negates a run of the guy has already crossed the plate before the out was registered.

The only legit beef here was the fact the Jays were denied a chance to appeal at 3rd.

[Masterbather]

14 minutes ago, Laika said:

It is just one of those sports plays that SEEMS COMPLICATED live but when you look at it after the fact, it really was simple. 

They just never appealed the runner leaving third base early. 

I think that's it. It really was simple baseball stuff that we see all the time, it's just for some reason people became confused by it. That's why my main point of contention is that it shouldn't have been a 20-minute delay. The baseball side of it was straightforward.

[Omar]

19 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

I think that's it. It really was simple baseball stuff that we see all the time, 

It has happened once previously in the past decade.  Coupled with the scoreboard confusion,  it has never happened in the history of the game. 

That is a fair stretch from "baseball stuff we see all the time".

[Laika]

30 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

I think that's it. It really was simple baseball stuff that we see all the time, it's just for some reason people became confused by it. That's why my main point of contention is that it shouldn't have been a 20-minute delay. The baseball side of it was straightforward.

The core rule is not complicated but the circumstances were extremely unique so no, it is not something we see all the time. 

 

I DO AGREE that the umps should have figured it all out sooner. The New York Super Umps not knowing this within 4 minutes is embarrassing.