Selling?

[Forever92]

On 7/10/2026 at 7:36 PM, Eat My Shatkins said:

The Jays may sell (I doubt it) but either way, this trade doesn't really signify a sell off.

I would trade Varsko for sure. Instead of losing him for nothing. Not much difference between him and Straw. Similar players. Try to get some type of starter for him. 

Giminez I would move. A good glove no hot shortstop shouldn't costs 23 million. 

[jaysblue]

8 hours ago, Forever92 said:

I would trade Varsko for sure. Instead of losing him for nothing. Not much difference between him and Straw. Similar players. Try to get some type of starter for him. 

Giminez I would move. A good glove no hot shortstop shouldn't costs 23 million. 

Gimenez isn’t being moved unless the Jays are willing to send money back in a deal. That contract makes him tough to move straight up.

Straw as a 4th outfielder is fine. He gives you defense, speed, and late-game flexibility. But if he’s playing every day in CF, that could become an issue pretty quickly, especially if the offense is already struggling.

As for Varsho, if the Jays fall out of contention and he makes it clear he isn’t interested in signing an extension here, then I could definitely see them exploring a trade. At that point, it would make sense to at least see what the market looks like rather than risk losing him for nothing later.

[Forever92]

1 hour ago, jaysblue said:

Gimenez isn’t being moved unless the Jays are willing to send money back in a deal. That contract makes him tough to move straight up.

Straw as a 4th outfielder is fine. He gives you defense, speed, and late-game flexibility. But if he’s playing every day in CF, that could become an issue pretty quickly, especially if the offense is already struggling.

As for Varsho, if the Jays fall out of contention and he makes it clear he isn’t interested in signing an extension here, then I could definitely see them exploring a trade. At that point, it would make sense to at least see what the market looks like rather than risk losing him for nothing later.

Money wasted on Gimenez and money wasted on Varsho could bring us a star.

Should be a good glove .220 hitting shortstop to be had for 3-4 million 

[Olerud363.354]

Gaussman and Davis Schneider for Justin Gonzales?

 

[james jones]

We are now bottom of the AL East. Even a lot of optimistic members on this forum would agree this is a bad team.

Blow it up and be prepared for 2028 season (assuming there's lockout in 2027)

[glory]

12 hours ago, james jones said:

We are now bottom of the AL East. Even a lot of optimistic members on this forum would agree this is a bad team.

Blow it up and be prepared for 2028 season (assuming there's lockout in 2027)

Bad offensively and middle of the pack at best in pitching and defense. I’m not really sure what, if anything, is going to cause a turnaround other than the rotation suddenly putting it all together and carrying the team ala 2023. I guess that’s still very possible but as painful as it would be to give up on 2026 after what 2025 did to the franchise, sometimes you have to call a spade a spade. It’s not a good team by any objective measure. Only the ineptitude of the AL is saving them from a more clear path to selling. 

It sucks because I don’t think anything they get back for rentals is going to dramatically impact the team or farm system unless they start trading more controllable talent. Team is clearly better off getting hot and going on a run but I just don’t see it as is.

[John_Havok]

22 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Gimenez isn’t being moved unless the Jays are willing to send money back in a deal. That contract makes him tough to move straight up.

Straw as a 4th outfielder is fine. He gives you defense, speed, and late-game flexibility. But if he’s playing every day in CF, that could become an issue pretty quickly, especially if the offense is already struggling.

As for Varsho, if the Jays fall out of contention and he makes it clear he isn’t interested in signing an extension here, then I could definitely see them exploring a trade. At that point, it would make sense to at least see what the market looks like rather than risk losing him for nothing later.

Straw in CF everyday is just a cheaper and younger version of Gimenez at SS. Both excellent defenders, both not good enough with the bat. 1 of those positions in the everyday lineup would be okay, but not both. Its had to hapoen sporadically anyways with Varsho's injuries but its definitely not a long-term thing

[jaysblue]

2 hours ago, glory said:

Bad offensively and middle of the pack at best in pitching and defense. I’m not really sure what, if anything, is going to cause a turnaround other than the rotation suddenly putting it all together and carrying the team ala 2023. I guess that’s still very possible but as painful as it would be to give up on 2026 after what 2025 did to the franchise, sometimes you have to call a spade a spade. It’s not a good team by any objective measure. Only the ineptitude of the AL is saving them from a more clear path to selling. 

It sucks because I don’t think anything they get back for rentals is going to dramatically impact the team or farm system unless they start trading more controllable talent. Team is clearly better off getting hot and going on a run but I just don’t see it as is.

2026 just doesn’t feel like the Jays’ year.

Between the injuries at the start of the season, the poor record against bad teams, the overworked bullpen through parts of May and June, disappointing seasons from Vladdy and Springer, the lack of power in the lineup, and the team not being nearly as sharp defensively as last year, it’s been one frustrating issue after another.

They’re lucky the rest of the AL hasn’t exactly been anything special. They’re only 2.5 games back of the Mariners for the third Wild Card spot, so they’re still technically right there. But there are also a lot of teams they need to jump over, including Houston, Minnesota, Baltimore, and Boston.

WC3 is still dangling in front of them. It feels close, but also so far away.

They really can’t afford to mess around after the All-Star break. They need to come out and go on some kind of run - something like winning 7 or 8 out of 10 and they need their key guys to finally step up. Vladdy and Kirk have to produce offensively, and arms like Gausman, Bieber, and Yesavage need to stabilize the rotation.

Otherwise, they’re just going to keep spinning their wheels. And if they keep squandering these opportunities, that 2.5-game deficit is going to turn into something much harder to overcome later on in the season. 

[Terminator]

14 hours ago, james jones said:

We are now bottom of the AL East. Even a lot of optimistic members on this forum would agree this is a bad team.

Blow it up and be prepared for 2028 season (assuming there's lockout in 2027)

Yeah this team is ass but we are only 2.5 games back and we don't have s*** to trade anyway.

I'd be a modest buyer and target things that traditionally don't cost a lot.

• #4 or 5 SP
• Crafty RP (not a flamethrower they cost too much)
• Right handed hitting corner OF

[Olerud363.354]

18 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

that 2.5-game deficit is going to turn into something much harder to overcome later on in the season. 

They are 6th of 7th in a 7 team race with a 10% chance of making the playoffs according to playoff odds.

You can do this on a napkin.  If all was even 1/7 chance, but it's not even they are already in the hole with only 65 games to go.  So knock a bit off the 1/7 and make 1/10.

This is completely different then 2.5 games behind one team. 

Sell early.  Get as much as you can.  Get Davis Schneider on a team that appreciates him, get Ernie Clement on a team where he can have fun, get Hoffman a fresh start.  Get Gausman some playoff starts.  Get Springer another chance at a legacy moment.   Get the Red Sox and Orioles some help and hope for a lock out for a reset, see you in 2028. 

[Olerud363.354]

Sell everyone not here for 2028 too.  Including Rogers (here for 2028 but assume no 2027).  Sell Straw.

Sell the friendship.  Sell the memories.  Sell it all.  It's sad and brutal but such is life.  

 

[Forever92]

19 hours ago, jaysblue said:

2026 just doesn’t feel like the Jays’ year.

Between the injuries at the start of the season, the poor record against bad teams, the overworked bullpen through parts of May and June, disappointing seasons from Vladdy and Springer, the lack of power in the lineup, and the team not being nearly as sharp defensively as last year, it’s been one frustrating issue after another.

They’re lucky the rest of the AL hasn’t exactly been anything special. They’re only 2.5 games back of the Mariners for the third Wild Card spot, so they’re still technically right there. But there are also a lot of teams they need to jump over, including Houston, Minnesota, Baltimore, and Boston.

WC3 is still dangling in front of them. It feels close, but also so far away.

They really can’t afford to mess around after the All-Star break. They need to come out and go on some kind of run - something like winning 7 or 8 out of 10 and they need their key guys to finally step up. Vladdy and Kirk have to produce offensively, and arms like Gausman, Bieber, and Yesavage need to stabilize the rotation.

Otherwise, they’re just going to keep spinning their wheels. And if they keep squandering these opportunities, that 2.5-game deficit is going to turn into something much harder to overcome later on in the season. 

Injuries in Rotation hurt our bullpen. 

[Forever92]

On 7/12/2026 at 10:56 AM, jaysblue said:

Gimenez isn’t being moved unless the Jays are willing to send money back in a deal. That contract makes him tough to move straight up.

Straw as a 4th outfielder is fine. He gives you defense, speed, and late-game flexibility. But if he’s playing every day in CF, that could become an issue pretty quickly, especially if the offense is already struggling.

As for Varsho, if the Jays fall out of contention and he makes it clear he isn’t interested in signing an extension here, then I could definitely see them exploring a trade. At that point, it would make sense to at least see what the market looks like rather than risk losing him for nothing later.

Probably give a team Hoffman if they take Giminez?

[Forever92]

18 hours ago, Olerud363.354 said:

Sell everyone not here for 2028 too.  Including Rogers (here for 2028 but assume no 2027).  Sell Straw.

Sell the friendship.  Sell the memories.  Sell it all.  It's sad and brutal but such is life.  

 

Who would play center? Get a look at Luke's or somebody?

[Olerud363.354]

22 hours ago, jaysblue said:

WC3 is still dangling in front of them. It feels close, but also so far away.

They really can’t afford to mess around after the All-Star break. They need to come out and go on some kind of run - something like winning 7 or 8 out of 10

Playoff odds are 10% on bbref and 20% on fangraphs now 4th worst in the AL.   They just blew an easy part of the schedule and are heading into a much tougher one.  They are the worst positioned of 6 teams fighting for 1 spot.   Fangraphs for some reason gives them slightly better then 1 in 6.  BBREF slightly worse.

Playoff odds will be below 5% BEFORE the next Boston Series, and < 0.1 after it.  I'd start firesale before that, but after getting destroyed by St. Louise and Tampa, they can concentrate on across the field trades with Boston during that series.  Get Davis Schneider in Boston before that series, they will love him there and appreciate his talents. 

Sell early sell often.   They are already sent the friendship down to Buffalo.  Gausman, Corbin, Scherzer, Springer, Straw, Varsho, Schneider, Lukes, Clement, Giminez if any one will take him.  Hoffman, Rogers  Little, Bieber.

Crazy but..

1.  Hopeless team and the magic is gone

2. Best sellers market in generations

3. Likely no 2027 so play for 2028

[Olerud363.354]

3 hours ago, Forever92 said:

Who would play center? Get a look at Luke's or somebody?

1.  Clase.  2. Harry.  3.  Jace Bohofren.  4.  Arrias

the latter two are in double a, but you move them to Buffalo and if both the first two get injured or something call them up.  

For 2028?  That is a problem to be solved after the strike/lockout. 

[Olerud363.354]

There is an obvious match with Boston.  Help Boston get their 5th World Series of the century, and in return have hope for 2028 and beyond.   Also get Davis Schneider and Ernie Celement good homes. 

To Boston - Schneider, Clement, Gausman 

Not sure what the injury story is with Story, Early and Saurez, but all on DL.   Franklin Arriaz is a super-prospect so don't even think of it.  But maybe a package centered around Justin Gonzales, Marcello Mayer, and a pitching prospect.  These trades are always hard to configure, and you only know you got it right if both sides say it's crazy (like the Boston side will over-rate Gonzales and Mayer's chance for rehabilitation, and Jays side will over-rate their players). 

I think there is a match there.  What would you ask for from Boston for those 3??  If you think it takes Arrias say so, but I think he's untouchable and need to go to their 3-10 prospect list, and salvage projects. 

[Forever92]

7 hours ago, Olerud363.354 said:

There is an obvious match with Boston.  Help Boston get their 5th World Series of the century, and in return have hope for 2028 and beyond.   Also get Davis Schneider and Ernie Celement good homes. 

To Boston - Schneider, Clement, Gausman 

Not sure what the injury story is with Story, Early and Saurez, but all on DL.   Franklin Arriaz is a super-prospect so don't even think of it.  But maybe a package centered around Justin Gonzales, Marcello Mayer, and a pitching prospect.  These trades are always hard to configure, and you only know you got it right if both sides say it's crazy (like the Boston side will over-rate Gonzales and Mayer's chance for rehabilitation, and Jays side will over-rate their players). 

I think there is a match there.  What would you ask for from Boston for those 3??  If you think it takes Arrias say so, but I think he's untouchable and need to go to their 3-10 prospect list, and salvage projects. 

You would trade Clement?

[Olerud363.354]

1 hour ago, Forever92 said:

You would trade Clement?

He's on the wrong side of 30.  I know it would be unpopular but Clement, Gausman and Davis Schneider, for Marcello Mayer, Justin Gonzales and Kyson Wetherspoon. 

Boston gets - gritty players with deep playoff experience who can contribute to 5th world series title this century.

Toronto gets - Hope in the form of a really good second best prospect (most teams say no-fn-way to the 1st prospect so aim for teams with good 3rd best prospects). 

Davis Schneider gets - an organization that won't send him to the minors and a wall to aim at. 

People think I'm joking but I'm not.  Toronto playoff odds at now 10%, Boston 50%.    Could be 80% and below 1 by the July 25th playoff series, and players should cross the field then. 

[glory]

I think there's logic to wanting to put Clement on the trade block (turns 31 next season, defense and sprint speed has fallen off, average hitter, value is probably at its peak), but there's literally no chance of it happening. Like, zero percent chance. 

[Olerud363.354]

6 minutes ago, glory said:

I think there's logic to wanting to put Clement on the trade block (turns 31 next season, defense and sprint speed has fallen off, average hitter, value is probably at its peak), but there's literally no chance of it happening. Like, zero percent chance. 

They let Bichette go.  They sent Schneider to the minors.   They traded Loperfido.  This organization doesn't have a huge amount of nostalgia.  Well probably Atkins and Shapiro don't.

I do get that Sportsnet and Rogers may not want the only all-star and most popular player traded.  So maybe my idea won't happen.  

Clement/Gaussman/Schneider for Mayer/Gonzales/Witherspoon

Boston - yes or no?

Shaprio - yes

Atkins - yes

Hazel Mae - no

Doug Ford - no

Davis Schneider fan club - hell yes

Blue Jays Message Board - ?

 

 

[Olerud363.354]

1 minute ago, Olerud363.354 said:

Blue Jays Message Board - ?

If Blue Jays Message Board is a "no" keep adding Boston Prospects until yes.  What would be fair?  If you think Boston would say no, add something to our side.  Franklin Arrias is off the table.  Player like that would never get traded except for Mike Trout 28 years old with 3+ years control. 

Clement/Gaussman/Schneider +???? for Mayer/Gonzales/Witherspoon + ????