Pirates (Chandler) vs Blue Jays (Gausman): 5/22/26, 7:07pm

[Olerud363.354]

16 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Season back on? Maybe you Debbies should have been listening to Spanky and I this entire time??

 

I'm on the record several times that while the race for the division was over April 3rd or so, they will become first 79 win team to win World Series and provided specific playoff predictions.  Based on their improved play I now think they will win 80 games, thus not the first 79 win team to win the World Series, but still first sub .500 team. 

WC round - Blue Jays 80-82 over 'The As' (residing in Sacramento for now) 2-1

ALDS - Blue Jays 80-82 over Cleveland Guardians 90-72 3-1

ALCS - Blue Jays 80-82 over Tampa Bay Rays 110-52 4-1

World Series - Blue Jays 80-82 over Dodgers 95-67 4-2

[Laika]

Def gotta find a way to give Varland some rest 

 

[Olerud363.354]

1 minute ago, Laika said:

Def gotta find a way to give Varland some rest 

 

Option 1 - Vlad returns to 2021 form, Kaz returns to 2 weeks ago form - win 9-2 every day

Option 2 - lose every day for a bit. (not good option)

Option 3 - Varland pitches 100 inning 150 strike-outs. 

This could possibly work for 3 years or so before his arm falls off. 

[Spanky__99]

1 hour ago, Laika said:

Just thinking, the Jays may have had one of the best rule 5 drafts ever.

Yeah they plucked Miles but they also somehow avoided losing Pinango who some thought was a juicy pick. 

Double Whammy 

I thought we were going to lose him, thank God we didn't. 

[Spanky__99]

15 minutes ago, Laika said:

Def gotta find a way to give Varland some rest 

 

Day off tomorrow for sure, plus Skenes, I'm going to watch this f***er live. 

[Spanky__99]

1 hour ago, Rynodb1 said:

Sounds like me on vacation. 

[Jays24]

20 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

Day off tomorrow for sure, plus Skenes, I'm going to watch this f***er live. 

Or youre not a real Jays fan

[Spanky__99]

7 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Or youre not a real Jays fan

[Spanky__99]

Bro cries before a pitch is thrown in games and whines 20+ times a game, but my fandom gets questioned? 

[Jays24]

5 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

Bro cries before a pitch is thrown in games and whines 20+ times a game, but my fandom gets questioned? 

[Spanky__99]

3 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

[Spanky__99]

2 hours ago, Jays24 said:

Does Venezuela suck at blocking balls or what man

#	Name	Team	Pos	G	GS	Inn	Throwing	Blocking	Framing	Arm	Range	FRV
1	Brandon Valenzuela	TOR	C	30	24	221.2	2	0	4			6
2	Adley Rutschman	BAL	C	29	27	236.2	2	0	4			6
3	Dillon Dingler	DET	C	37	36	317.1	1	1	2			5
4	Patrick Bailey	2 Tms	C	36	33	289.1	1	0	4			5
5	J.T. Realmuto	PHI	C	31	31	267.0	1	0	2			4
6	Tyler Heineman	TOR	C	24	21	175.1	1	1	3			4
7	Carlos Narváez	BOS	C	32	30	260.0	0	1	3			4
8	Pedro Pagés	STL	C	32	31	275.1	2	0	2			4
9	Cal Raleigh	SEA	C	31	30	265.1	1	2	0			3
10	Rafael Marchán	PHI	C	19	14	136.1	0	1	2			3
11	Freddy Fermin	SDP	C	37	28	253.0	1	1	1			3
12	Gabriel Moreno	ARI	C	26	23	202.0	1	1	2			3
13	Austin Wells	NYY	C	38	36	322.2	0	0	3			3
14	Christian Vázquez	HOU	C	26	25	219.0	0	-1	2			2
15	Luis Torrens	NYM	C	25	19	180.2	2	0	1			2
16	Garrett Stubbs	PHI	C	6	5	44.0	1	0	1			2
17	Keibert Ruiz	WSN	C	31	27	243.0	0	0	2			2
18	Alejandro Kirk	TOR	C	5	5	46.1	0	0	2			2
19	Austin Hedges	CLE	C	23	20	174.0	0	0	1			1
20	Eric Haase	SFG	C	8	7	60.0	0	0	1			1
21	Victor Caratini	MIN	C	22	20	178.0	-1	0	2			1
22	Jose Trevino	CIN	C	11	10	83.0	-1	0	2			1
23	P.J. Higgins	CIN	C	6	5	45.0	0	0	0			1
24	Jhonny Pereda	SEA	C	6	6	52.0	1	0	0			1
25	William Contreras	MIL	C	40	37	335.0	3	-1	-1			1
26	Rodolfo Durán	SDP	C	5	5	43.0	1	0	0			1
27	César Salazar	HOU	C	5	4	35.0	0	0	1			1
28	Sebastián Rivero	LAA	C	16	9	83.1	0	0	1			1
29	Ryan Jeffers	MIN	C	32	30	263.0	-1	0	2			1
30	Drew Millas	WSN	C	32	24	218.0	0	-1	2			1

[Brownie19]

2 hours ago, Rynodb1 said:

My thought was they wanted Varland to get the save. 

Varland may have asked for it too.  We know they like those counting numbers.  It helps with their arbitration numbers and how much they get paid.  Or maybe JS just didn't want to take any chances.  We need to build some momentum and blown leads/saves are super deflating.

[Brownie19]

12 hours ago, Jays24 said:

Cant think of any reason why Venezuela gets sent back down.  Hopefully Heiniman has a trade market from a desperate team.

No I can't see them doing that unless they feel Valezuela needs full time playing time to continue his development.  Who knows what how they view it.  

I think he's helped the big league team right now, so I want him to stay and contribute however he can.

[jaysblue]

2 hours ago, Jays24 said:

Cant think of any reason why Venezuela gets sent back down.  Hopefully Heiniman has a trade market from a desperate team.

Heineman doesn't have a trade market lol. He's a DFA candidate and likely passes through waivers. 

[jaysblue]

7 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

No I can't see them doing that unless they feel Vanezuela needs full time playing time to continue his development.  Who knows what how they view it.  

I think he's helped the big league team right now, so I want him to stay and contribute however he can.

Yeah I think the Jays could make it work with both Kirk and Valenzuela on the active roster. Need to squeeze as much offense out of this lineup as possible, and keeping Valenzuela around over Heineman is a significant improvement on both sides of the ball. 

[Spanky__99]

15 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Varland may have asked for it too.  We know they like those counting numbers.  It helps with their arbitration numbers and how much they get paid.  Or maybe JS just didn't want to take any chances.  We need to build some momentum and blown leads/saves are super deflating.

Simply to nail it shut and finish them. 1 more W in the next 2 games and knock up another series W. 

[Spanky__99]

1 hour ago, Spanky__99 said:

#	Name	Team	Pos	G	GS	Inn	Throwing	Blocking	Framing	Arm	Range	FRV
1	Brandon Valenzuela	TOR	C	30	24	221.2	2	0	4			6
2	Adley Rutschman	BAL	C	29	27	236.2	2	0	4			6
3	Dillon Dingler	DET	C	37	36	317.1	1	1	2			5
4	Patrick Bailey	2 Tms	C	36	33	289.1	1	0	4			5
5	J.T. Realmuto	PHI	C	31	31	267.0	1	0	2			4
6	Tyler Heineman	TOR	C	24	21	175.1	1	1	3			4
7	Carlos Narváez	BOS	C	32	30	260.0	0	1	3			4
8	Pedro Pagés	STL	C	32	31	275.1	2	0	2			4
9	Cal Raleigh	SEA	C	31	30	265.1	1	2	0			3
10	Rafael Marchán	PHI	C	19	14	136.1	0	1	2			3
11	Freddy Fermin	SDP	C	37	28	253.0	1	1	1			3
12	Gabriel Moreno	ARI	C	26	23	202.0	1	1	2			3
13	Austin Wells	NYY	C	38	36	322.2	0	0	3			3
14	Christian Vázquez	HOU	C	26	25	219.0	0	-1	2			2
15	Luis Torrens	NYM	C	25	19	180.2	2	0	1			2
16	Garrett Stubbs	PHI	C	6	5	44.0	1	0	1			2
17	Keibert Ruiz	WSN	C	31	27	243.0	0	0	2			2
18	Alejandro Kirk	TOR	C	5	5	46.1	0	0	2			2
19	Austin Hedges	CLE	C	23	20	174.0	0	0	1			1
20	Eric Haase	SFG	C	8	7	60.0	0	0	1			1
21	Victor Caratini	MIN	C	22	20	178.0	-1	0	2			1
22	Jose Trevino	CIN	C	11	10	83.0	-1	0	2			1
23	P.J. Higgins	CIN	C	6	5	45.0	0	0	0			1
24	Jhonny Pereda	SEA	C	6	6	52.0	1	0	0			1
25	William Contreras	MIL	C	40	37	335.0	3	-1	-1			1
26	Rodolfo Durán	SDP	C	5	5	43.0	1	0	0			1
27	César Salazar	HOU	C	5	4	35.0	0	0	1			1
28	Sebastián Rivero	LAA	C	16	9	83.1	0	0	1			1
29	Ryan Jeffers	MIN	C	32	30	263.0	-1	0	2			1
30	Drew Millas	WSN	C	32	24	218.0	0	-1	2			1

 

7 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

Heineman doesn't have a trade market lol. He's a DFA candidate and likely passes through waivers. 

6th in the Majors defensively and you think he has no value? They'll get something for him.

[jaysblue]

8 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

 

6th in the Majors defensively and you think he has no value? They'll get something for him.

-9 wRC+ and a -0.3 fWAR at age 35. Doubt it. 

[Spanky__99]

7 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

-9 wRC+ and a -0.3 fWAR at age 35. Doubt it. 

Nice sample bro, I know his bat has regressed immensely, but a bat isn't what teams look for in a backup C, it's the defense. He won't return a lot but maybe a platoon bat for Lefties or a lottery ticket works, hell, even cash towards the deadline or in the INT market works. We'll see by early mid-June.

Just look at the Bailey return although he's like elite defensively, wherein Heineman is normally very good and in the top 10. 

[G-Snarls]

2 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Heineman doesn't have a trade market lol. He's a DFA candidate and likely passes through waivers. 

He's not terrible to have stashed in Buffalo so that would be nice 

[max silver]

3 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Yeah I think the Jays could make it work with both Kirk and Valenzuela on the active roster. Need to squeeze as much offense out of this lineup as possible, and keeping Valenzuela around over Heineman is a significant improvement on both sides of the ball. 

I think it would be really easy to make a Kirk/Valenzuela tandem work, at least in the first few weeks after Kirk returns. I think the club is going to carefully monitor Kirk's playing time in the beginning and for the first while they could run more of a 1A/1B tandem like back when Jansen was still around. I think Valenzuela has been showing glimpses of being an impact level of player given how elite the overall defensive package is behind the plate, and keeping Heineman in place of Valenzuela would be a massive downgrade to the club even with Kirk's return. 

[max silver]

4 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

 

6th in the Majors defensively and you think he has no value? They'll get something for him.

He's also the worst hitter in MLB when you sort by minimum of 70 PA. It's impossible to overstate how bad he's been with the bat this season and at this age it's entirely possible he's finished as a major league hitter.

[jaysblue]

8 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

Nice sample bro, I know his bat has regressed immensely, but a bat isn't what teams look for in a backup C, it's the defense. He won't return a lot but maybe a platoon bat for Lefties or a lottery ticket works, hell, even cash towards the deadline or in the INT market works. We'll see by early mid-June.

Just look at the Bailey return although he's like elite defensively, wherein Heineman is normally very good and in the top 10. 

And Patrick Bailey is still only 26. 

[jaysblue]

6 hours ago, G-Snarls said:

He's not terrible to have stashed in Buffalo so that would be nice 

I don't mind having Heineman stashed in Buffalo. Would be nice depth and he has an opportunity to work on a few things down there. I think if he's DFA, he definitely passes through and Jays could option him to AAA if he doesn't reject the assignment. 

[jaysblue]

4 hours ago, max silver said:

I think it would be really easy to make a Kirk/Valenzuela tandem work, at least in the first few weeks after Kirk returns. I think the club is going to carefully monitor Kirk's playing time in the beginning and for the first while they could run more of a 1A/1B tandem like back when Jansen was still around. I think Valenzuela has been showing glimpses of being an impact level of player given how elite the overall defensive package is behind the plate, and keeping Heineman in place of Valenzuela would be a massive downgrade to the club even with Kirk's return. 

Yeah, all great points. I doubt they’ll ride Kirk that hard in terms of playing time right away, especially over the first couple of weeks. It kind of reminds me of 2022 and 2023, when the Jays had Kirk and Jansen working more as a tandem - and that was a real team strength! 

[neverbeenhere]

10 hours ago, Olerud363.354 said:

I'm on the record several times that while the race for the division was over April 3rd or so, they will become first 79 win team to win World Series and provided specific playoff predictions.  Based on their improved play I now think they will win 80 games, thus not the first 79 win team to win the World Series, but still first sub .500 team. 

WC round - Blue Jays 80-82 over 'The As' (residing in Sacramento for now) 2-1

ALDS - Blue Jays 80-82 over Cleveland Guardians 90-72 3-1

ALCS - Blue Jays 80-82 over Tampa Bay Rays 110-52 4-1

World Series - Blue Jays 80-82 over Dodgers 95-67 4-2

you are so "humerus" 

[Olerud363.354]

59 minutes ago, neverbeenhere said:

you are so "humerus" 

Honestly not humor.  That is the path right now.  Sneak into a wild card with a pathetic record and show up in some suprisingly place like Chicago or Sacramento for a wild card series, then go to face the 110 win Rays in Tampa Bay and maybe have to beat the Yankees or Guardians on the way and finish it off with a rematch against the Dodgers. 

All the while parading out 2020 Shane Bieber whos been hiding in Dunnedin and 2021 Vlad who decides to show up for the playoffs 

[Jays24]

10 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Heineman doesn't have a trade market lol. He's a DFA candidate and likely passes through waivers. 

Im basing my comment on backup catchers usually being the worst player on most teams.  

I doubt hed pass through waivers as someone will remember how good he was last year in hopes it was just a rough start like every other blue jay hitter on this team lol. 

[John_Havok]

13 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

Day off tomorrow for sure, plus Skenes, I'm going to watch this f***er live. 

Odds on Spanky landing in Pittsburgh jail is probably higher than any Jay hitting a HR off Skenes.