[ALDS GM3] : Yankees (Rodon) vs Blue Jays (Bieber): 10/06/25, 8:10pm

[Terminator]

Ignore the stupid commentary

Look at where Schneider is when that ball finally lands

[Jays24]

7 minutes ago, max silver said:

IKF booting a routine grounder was a really low probability occurrence so I don't really assign a lot of blame to anyone other than IKF alone for him botching that play. A manager should reliably expect that a quality infield defender would make the routine plays that come his way. You were also complaining that Barger should be starting no matter what, and lo and behold as soon as he came into the game he also made a bad error that was far more impactful given where the Yankees were in the lineup. I don't see you backing off on your continual assertion that Barger should start no matter what when he made a far more important error that was the largest turning point in the game.

If I had the choice between Barger/IKK then yes, I would take Barger.  However, I clearly mentioned several times yesterday before the game even started that we should be using Straw or even Lukes in LF.   

We already had Santandar out there and that just makes the OF too weak with Schneider out there too.  IKF doesnt belong on this roster, let alone starting back to back playoff games.  

[Stangstag]

1 minute ago, Terminator said:

Ignore the stupid commentary

Look at where Schneider is when that ball finally lands

He completely stopped running for a decent amount of time though. Easily gets there if he calls Barger off. Just a stupid play that we make 99 times out of 100. Probably made worse by the fact Barger was fresh off the bench and that was probably the first flyball he saw not realizing how bad the wind was.

[Jays24]

3 minutes ago, Terminator said:

LMAO

If you see complaints about a few things then that means you are good with the things not being complained about.  Not everyone likes to write essays about every single decision the team makes like theyre paid from them lol. 

[max silver]

6 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Barger vehemently called for the ball but a good OFer know that you always call the IF off when you can easily get to that ball.  Thats exactly the position Schneider was in, he had a chance to help his teammate out by making the easier play and he failed in that regard.  You can see Barger ask him after the play "could you have gotten that" and Schneider nods saying "yes" 

I think every other player on the team that regularly plays third base would have caught that popup easily, whether it was Clement or IKF. If Barger doesn't come into the game that out is made 99.99% of the time, so if you are going to torch the manager/front office for every misplay that happens on the field this is the most concrete instance available where you should be choosing this path. 

[Brownie19]

17 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

I dont want anything but for my team to use some sense when making decisions.  It wasn't just me, majority of people were baffled with the decision ahead of the game and it directly led to miscues that help cost us the game.  

Again, most of us agree on 95% of the things this team does.  We are usually bickering about the 5% we differ on and thats fine, that's what a message board is for.  You and a few others are shocked when people see things differently as a front office can never do anything wrong while we're shocked that there are people who can't see those things.  

Sorry - I honestly meant my last post to be directed at everyone who's taking victory laps like they are so much smarter than the FO/Manager.  It's not just you.

People can b*tch and complain - yes, that's one of the (absolute worst) aspects of a message board.  What I always find funny is the volume of people who are SO DAMN SURE their opinion is right, even when it's obvious they have significantly less information available to them than the actual decision makers do.  They act like it was so blatantly obvious that they often suggest people should lose their jobs over it and they appear to LOVE when they can point back to when they "told everyone" about this idea before it happened, while ignoring all the other opinions they had that never worked out.

My current favourite is people complaining that IKF was in the lineup in the first place, which was obviously for defensive purposes and then complaining when he made an error.  The manager puts his best defensive option in the game and then it's still his fault when that player makes an error.  Then when IKF gets pulled for the guy people wanted to see start in place of him - he f*cks up and the manager is blamed again.  The irony is hilarious.

[Terminator]

12 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

If you see complaints about a few things then that means you are good with the things not being complained about.  Not everyone likes to write essays about every single decision the team makes like theyre paid from them lol. 

You poo poo everything and have been doing so since the offseason. Here's just one example.

On 12/9/2024 at 12:06 PM, Jays24 said:

This team currently sucks too much for people to want to have fun with this. Kudos to you though, hopefully we'll check back in after some major moves lol.

Acting like you are positive and in agreement 95% of the time is hilarious, unless you count mundane things like "I agree with putting Vlad in the lineup".

[Jays24]

2 minutes ago, max silver said:

I think every other player on the team that regularly plays third base would have caught that popup easily, whether it was Clement or IKF. If Barger doesn't come into the game that out is made 99.99% of the time, so if you are going to torch the manager/front office for every misplay that happens on the field this is the most concrete instance available where you should be choosing this path. 

No, I dont just blindly hate on everything in a hindsight fashion.  The things I truly get upset about are things I felt could have been averted beforehand and majority of the time I tell you my true feelings beforehand.  I said Schneider at 2B and Lukes/Straw in LF many times because we were going against a lefty.   

Anyways, both Barger/Schneider know they should have handled that better.  Just sucks for everyone on our side.  

[max silver]

5 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

No, I dont just blindly hate on everything in a hindsight fashion.  The things I truly get upset about are things I felt could have been averted beforehand and majority of the time I tell you my true feelings beforehand.  I said Schneider at 2B and Lukes/Straw in LF many times because we were going against a lefty.   

Anyways, both Barger/Schneider know they should have handled that better.  Just sucks for everyone on our side.  

The continuous outrage is bad enough. In the case of the IKF start the entire board was universally panning the decision, with a few posters trying to ascertain why IKF was inserted into the lineup. When IKF made an unexpected error in the first inning you blew up at the rest of the board trying to pick a fight and act like there was a singular poster on the board that wanted IKF in the lineup as this made you a certifiable genius for flying off the deep end. When you got your wish later in the game and Barger came in when he made an error that gave the Yankees the momentum in the series he got a total pass and the blame was placed on the left fielder instead. The outrage is bad enough to make matters you are a giant hypocrite and play favorites and apply this outrage selectively. 

[Jays24]

2 minutes ago, Terminator said:

You poo poo everything and have been doing so since the offseason. Here's just one example.

Acting like you are positive and in agreement 95% of the time is hilarious, unless you count mundane things like "I agree with putting Vlad in the lineup".

You are taking a comment from December 9th when majority of the fanbase wanted major upgrades to the roster after a pathetic showing in 2024.  Hell no did I expect the season to unfold how it has with so many players performing above their expected output.  

The 95% comment is based on where we are today and how we are deploying our players during games.  If only only complaining about IKF playing, Springer DH and not Santandar then that means im happy with everything else im currently not complaining about.  

[Stangstag]

18 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

My current favourite is people complaining that IKF was in the lineup in the first place, which was obviously for defensive purposes and then complaining when he made an error.  The manager puts his best defensive option in the game and then it's still his fault when that player makes an error.  Then when IKF gets pulled for the guy people wanted to see start in place of him - he f*cks up and the manager is blamed again.  The irony is hilarious.

A little bit of a misrepresentation, since most were calling for Straw to be in there vs IKF. It just so happened to burn them on both errors. But its not a terrible decision to have IKF in the game for his glove, he just f***ed up.

I personally thought there might be an issue in LF with Davis trying to run something down in the gap or near the line, which wasn't the case. But you could easily argue that 2nd error doesn't happen with Straw in LF.

[SeranthonySantander]

Bottom line if they blow this, I’m cancelling my pirated streams, defaulting on my Roger’s contract and buying a judge jersey

[Brownie19]

34 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

A little bit of a misrepresentation, since most were calling for Straw to be in there vs IKF. It just so happened to burn them on both errors. But its not a terrible decision to have IKF in the game for his glove, he just f***ed up.

I personally thought there might be an issue in LF with Davis trying to run something down in the gap or near the line, which wasn't the case. But you could easily argue that 2nd error doesn't happen with Straw in LF.

I suspect they put IKF in at 2nd because Bieber induces more ground balls (48%) than flyballs (33%) and thus infield defense was considered more valuable than OF defense to start the game (especially when neither Straw nor IKF can hit).

If Schneider starts at 2nd base last night and he boots a couple of balls or can't turn a key double play, then, IMO, that would be MUCH more worthy of criticism.

The decisions seemed rational to me last night - there's just always a certain probability they backfire or don't work.  I think that's what happened.

Unbeknownst to some, blame doesn't have to be assigned to every decision and every outcome.  Sometimes you do the right thing and it just doesn't work.  The players aren't perfect and their performance isn't something you an control.  It is what it is.  We're still leading and get to play again today thankfully. 

People claiming the outcome would have been different (ie better, with a 100% chance of winning instead) if the manager had done what they thought was right are just fooling themselves.  Changing variables can have a wide variety of impacts on the outcome - both good and bad. 

[Brownie19]

11 minutes ago, SeranthonySantander said:

Bottom line if they blow this, I’m cancelling my pirated streams, defaulting on my Roger’s contract and buying a judge jersey

That all sounds like good news to me.

[Terminator]

I just read that this was Judge’s first home run on a pitch outside the strike zone all season.

[BB17]

Wonder if Judge got tipped off that a inside FB was coming. Tough to sit on 99 with 2 strikes and to pull a ball that far inside is nuts. 

[Brownie19]

11 minutes ago, Terminator said:

I just read that this was Judge’s first home run on a pitch outside the strike zone all season.

That's wild.

It was a great pitch.  Busting Judge in like that seems like a good strategy to open up the outside edge.  No idea how he got to that ball and kept it fair.  Sometimes you just gotta tip the cap to the best hitter in baseball.  It feels like Judge hits that pitch for a home run like 1 out of 100 times - but it might actually be 1 out of 500 times.

[Orgfiller]

5 minutes ago, BB17 said:

Wonder if Judge got tipped off that a inside FB was coming. Tough to sit on 99 with 2 strikes and to pull a ball that far inside is nuts. 

Honestly I think the swing showed he was all in on FB. Whether he was tipped of it or not, we've seen Judge willing to trade a risk in a whiff for a potential big swing, and that's exactly what happened. I'm willing to say he read the situation well and was swinging at fastball anywhere near the strikezone, and was extra loaded up for it. Maybe he had the confidence that if Varland instead went with knuckle curve but missed that he'd be good enough to foul it off or off-balance drive one into the outfield.

[Terminator]

4 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

That's wild.

It was a great pitch.  Busting Judge in like that seems like a good strategy to open up the outside edge.  No idea how he got to that ball and kept it fair.  Sometimes you just gotta tip the cap to the best hitter in baseball.  It feels like Judge hits that pitch for a home run like 1 out of 100 times - but it might actually be 1 out of 500 times.

Idk the odds are probably more like once in his career.

He probably doesn't have many homers off 100 mph as is. That far out of the zone and I would be surprised if he has any.

[ComeTogether]

 

 

[Brownie19]

I don't know why anyone would give a f*ck what Vernon Wells thinks about anything.

[Terminator]

30 minutes ago, ComeTogether said:

 

 

Did Vern even watch the game, by chance? Or did he just check the box score?

[G-Snarls]

 

 

[G-Snarls]

5 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Did Vern even watch the game, by chance? Or did he just check the box score?

Had someone read him the box score while he was counting his piles of money

[G-Snarls]

[Stangstag]

1 hour ago, Brownie19 said:

That's wild.

It was a great pitch.  Busting Judge in like that seems like a good strategy to open up the outside edge.  No idea how he got to that ball and kept it fair.  Sometimes you just gotta tip the cap to the best hitter in baseball.  It feels like Judge hits that pitch for a home run like 1 out of 100 times - but it might actually be 1 out of 500 times.

Varland should try it again today just for giggles

[G-Snarls]

8 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Varland should try it again today just for giggles

Don't forget the shits!

[SeranthonySantander]

I would listen to Delgado or Shaun green f*** Vernon wells