Gómez: Toronto Blue Jays Have Offers Out to Pete Alonso, Alex Bregman

[Stangstag]

2 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

Yeah - I still like this option (even if I don't like weakening the farm system).  I expect Bregman to sign in Detroit or back in Houston still.  I don't think he comes to Toronto.  I could see us add a DH type like JDM, or just go into the season with what we have and see what guys like Orelvis/Barger/Roden/etc. can give us as a starter.

Not ideal, but not catastrophic either.  

How? where would he play? Santander as an everyday OF? not sure about that. Also gives you 0 flexibility with Vlad/Bo/Kirk in the DH role

[Jays24]

1 minute ago, Stangstag said:

How? where would he play? Santander as an everyday OF? not sure about that. Also gives you 0 flexibility with Vlad/Bo/Kirk in the DH role

Until Kirk shows he's actually a good enough hitter, his ass needs to sit when he's not catching.  Keep the DH spot for players who are elite hitters and only Vlad/Bo/Santandar fit that criteria on our team.

[Stangstag]

2 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Until Kirk shows he's actually a good enough hitter, his ass needs to sit when he's not catching.  Keep the DH spot for players who are elite hitters and only Vlad/Bo/Santandar fit that criteria on our team.

Ok but the point still stands, where does JDM fit on this team? I could have seen it before the Santander signing but not now.

[Jays24]

Just now, Stangstag said:

Ok but the point still stands, where does JDM fit on this team? I could have seen it before the Santander signing but not now.

Santandar played 130 games at LF last year while Bo/Vlad play almost everyday in the field. 

J.D would still get about 120 starts at DH and be an important pinch hitter during his off days.  

We don't need to see Kirk/Springer/Wagner roll through the DH spot ever again.

[Brownie19]

49 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Santandar played 130 games at LF last year while Bo/Vlad play almost everyday in the field. 

J.D would still get about 120 starts at DH and be an important pinch hitter during his off days.  

We don't need to see Kirk/Springer/Wagner roll through the DH spot ever again.

Yeah - that would generally be my response (although I do want to see Wagner get a shot this year).

I don't think adding JDM is critical at this point.  I'm OK starting the year with Wagner/Orelvis/Barger/Roden getting a chance to prove they can be ML regulars.  I think there's a good chance one of them is already better than JDM.

I also figured if we signed Alonso, that he would DH a lot.  I don't like Vlad at 3rd much at all.  

[Brownie19]

3 hours ago, BTS said:

I don't understand why people think Robert would be cheap. He's the kind of high-variance talent that contending teams drool over, and he's controllable for 3 more seasons on very reasonable team options. There would be no shortage of interested teams and Toronto's farm system is ass. 

I think it's just different perspectives of what "cheap" is.

He's coming off an 84 wRC+, 0.5 WAR season.  Nobody wants to be paying $15-$20M for that.  There's just so much variance in his outcomes and so many injury concerns that his contract doesn't have the excess value it did after the 2023 season.

I do think the price to acquire him has come down significantly, which is why I now think the Jays have a shot to land him.  I think we can build a package around RT and land him.  I don't think it's going to take Nimmala, RT and Yesavage (or something like that) to land him.

[Jimcanuck]

If Robert is available, Jays won't get him without Nimmala being in the deal.

By that I mean another team will beat the Jays offer.

[Orgfiller]

16 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

If Robert is available, Jays won't get him without Nimmala being in the deal.

By that I mean another team will beat the Jays offer.

I don't see why the White Sox would prefer Nimmala over like, Yesavage for instance. Tiedemann I could understand not wanting due to the injury history, but they also can't be picky about acquiring a guy with his upside who is otherwise basically MLB ready.

[Jimcanuck]

14 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

I don't see why the White Sox would prefer Nimmala over like, Yesavage for instance. Tiedemann I could understand not wanting due to the injury history, but they also can't be picky about acquiring a guy with his upside who is otherwise basically MLB ready.

Nimmala is generally top ranked of Jays prospects.

RT has reliever written all over him.  The last few years he's pitched about 40 and 20 innings, respectively, and even with that he can't stay healthy.  The chance RT is able to successfully stretch out and be a durable SP is getting rather low.

Yesavage would catch their interest for sure, but no pro innings, and pitchers have more variability in results than position players.  Which is why you typically don't see many pitchers taken in the 1st round of drafts.

 

 

[jaysblue]

2 hours ago, Stangstag said:

Ok but the point still stands, where does JDM fit on this team? I could have seen it before the Santander signing but not now.

DH.

Santander is playing in left field. 

[Stangstag]

41 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

DH.

Santander is playing in left field. 

I don’t see us getting a full-time DH with the way the roster is constructed. But anyways im done discussing that.

Turning to another discussion, who here thinks Santander should be playing RF with Springer in LF?? Santander has the better arm and Springer is the better fielder, seems to make perfect sense

[wilko]

2 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

I don’t see us getting a full-time DH with the way the roster is constructed. But anyways im done discussing that.

Turning to another discussion, who here thinks Santander should be playing RF with Springer in LF?? Santander has the better arm and Springer is the better fielder, seems to make perfect sense

To get back on topic, I think JDM would be a great full time DH. 

[max silver]

32 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

I don’t see us getting a full-time DH with the way the roster is constructed. But anyways im done discussing that.

Turning to another discussion, who here thinks Santander should be playing RF with Springer in LF?? Santander has the better arm and Springer is the better fielder, seems to make perfect sense

I'd like the team to give both of Springer and Santander a look in left field to see who is more comfortable with the position. Santander produced legitimately awful metrics in his time in left field a few seasons ago to the point where he'd really be hurting the team defensively if he isn't able to make a dramatic improvement with more reps.

[Stangstag]

20 minutes ago, max silver said:

I'd like the team to give both of Springer and Santander a look in left field to see who is more comfortable with the position. Santander produced legitimately awful metrics in his time in left field a few seasons ago to the point where he'd really be hurting the team defensively if he isn't able to make a dramatic improvement with more reps.

Camden LF is (was) also egregiously large so i’ll give a bit of a pass on that

[Jays24]

https://nypost.com/2025/02/06/sports/alex-bregman-knows-what-he-wants-and-is-holding-out-for-it/?utm_source=reddit.com

Apparently Houston has upped their original offer to Bregman.  

[max silver]

3 hours ago, Stangstag said:

Camden LF is (was) also egregiously large so i’ll give a bit of a pass on that

That's possible but he presumably only spent half of his left field time at Camden Yards. I don't know if it's possible to break down defensive numbers in this fashion.

[Brownie19]

45 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

https://nypost.com/2025/02/06/sports/alex-bregman-knows-what-he-wants-and-is-holding-out-for-it/?utm_source=reddit.com

Apparently Houston has upped their original offer to Bregman.  

I don't think there's much chance we land him - unfortunately.

[Rimar]

Atkins should give an ultimatum to Boras and Bregman.  If they didn't accept the 6 years contract offer before this Sunday, they will remove the contract offer, and publicly let people know. Instead should be persistent and try convince Arenado to agree be traded to Toronto. Offering him same contact offer that they did to Bregman. 

[Stangstag]

21 minutes ago, Rimar said:

Atkins should give an ultimatum to Boras and Bregman.  If they didn't accept the 6 years contract offer before this Sunday, they will remove the contract offer, and publicly let people know. Instead should be persistent and try convince Arenado to agree be traded to Toronto. Offering him same contact offer that they did to Bregman. 

Even less chance Arenado waives the NTC to come here

[Carlos Danger]

1 hour ago, Brownie19 said:

I don't think there's much chance we land him - unfortunately.

Where would Bregman have the most comfort level?

Where would his salary go further?

Where would he be able to cement his legacy?

Answer to all of the above is not the Blue Jays.  

The magic 8 ball says……

Brownie is correct!

[jaysblue]

Looks more likely Clement will be the starting 3B heading into ST if the Jays don't sign Bregman and since Moncada signed with the Angels today. 

Jays might still be able to turn to the trade market for a bat like Luis Roberts or sign a DH like JDM. We'll see what happens. 

[Abomination]

2 hours ago, Rimar said:

Atkins should give an ultimatum to Boras and Bregman.  If they didn't accept the 6 years contract offer before this Sunday, they will remove the contract offer, and publicly let people know. Instead should be persistent and try convince Arenado to agree be traded to Toronto. Offering him same contact offer that they did to Bregman. 

I don't think I'd want to give Arenado a 6 year contract. He'll be 34 in April.

[mphenhef]

On 2/6/2025 at 1:30 PM, L54 said:

Are you finished crying about Pete Alonso? 

 

Yes, he is back in New York so I don’t need to worry about him here.