The nightmare is over.....Craig Biggio's son is GONE

[BTS]

I thought if not traded and claimed, the claiming team is only responsible for $650k or whatever the MLB minimum is these days and the Jays have to pay the rest?

 

No, if the Jays place him on waivers and he gets claimed the claiming team pays his entire salary. If he clears, rejects the assignment, and signs as a FA, the signing team is responsible for the pro-rated portion of the league minimum, as you say.

 

I imagine the Jays are hoping to trade him, and if they can't, hoping for the small chance that he's claimed.

[connorp]

No, if the Jays place him on waivers and he gets claimed the claiming team pays his entire salary. If he clears, rejects the assignment, and signs as a FA, the signing team is responsible for the pro-rated portion of the league minimum, as you say.

 

I imagine the Jays are hoping to trade him, and if they can't, hoping for the small chance that he's claimed.

 

IKF, this season so far even, clears wavers all day, everyday. I’d bet a months salary on it.

[BTS]

IKF, this season so far even, clears wavers all day, everyday. I’d bet a months salary on it.

 

Probably? Jays were the high bidder for his services in the offseason - I'm not sure what has happened that would change things.

[John Balkabella]

If there was one guy on the infield you said “ That’ guy made a good play” among Bo, Vlad, Babe, Horwitz, Turner, Burgers, Clement, or IKF, it is IKF.

 

I agree he will regress.

 

When there is so much wailing and gnashing of teeth, for a guy that is paid a relative pittance, it is amusing.

[Carlos Danger]

The fact we had Biggio hitting middle of the order in two playoff games last year really said something about our team and lineup. Biggio is to susceptible to the high heat and it shows and the league knows it.

 

I really liked Biggio when he came up, even more so that Vlad and Bo.

 

However, Biggio does not make this Team better, nor is he part of taking this team to the next level.

 

It was time ( I would say off season) but it needed to be done.

 

Credit to Atkins for taking the first step in what needs to be done. (Still want to fire his ass though!

[max silver]

IKF, this season so far even, clears wavers all day, everyday. I’d bet a months salary on it.

 

Wow bold move making a bet on something that's about as likely to happen as you getting struck by lightning.

[connorp]

Wow bold move making a bet on something that's about as likely to happen as you getting struck by lightning.

 

Well, from all the posts, I was assuming you guys thought he was a bargain on his contract. He could be on waivers now. I don’t think teams have to list it. Maybe I’m wrong

[BTS]

I was assuming you guys thought he was a bargain on his contract

 

You have a habit of taking a stance, then lumping the rest of the forum into a monolithic uninformed opposition to that stance, then tilting at the windmill you've created.

[max silver]

Well, from all the posts, I was assuming you guys thought he was a bargain on his contract. He could be on waivers now. I don’t think teams have to list it. Maybe I’m wrong

 

I don't think there's anyone that has seriously stated IKF was a bargain. He's easily justified the contract with his performance up to this point however so there's no reason he would be placed on waivers.

[jaysblue]

Too bad. Seemed like nice guy.

 

When he came up the elite eye & versatility was intriguing. 2.6 WAR in 430 PAs with 16 HRs in 2019. His eye, which we thought was an advantage, became a negative over time, as the league adjusted. We watched him take or swing under too many strikes.

 

We hoped 2019 was the beginning, but it was just the beginning of the end. A long slow one. At $4.2 AAV he isn't earning his keep. Its a business.

 

I always had the high hopes after 2019 that Biggio could be a Chase Utley or Ben Zobrist type of bat.

 

Even still, loved the versatility he offered and thought he could have still been a valuable piece, but it's time for a change of scenery. I could see him hitting .250/.350/.450 with 15 HR's somewhere as a utility guy who plays all over the field against RHP. Wasn't gonna happen in Toronto unfortunately.

[harvey16]

Sad to see him go! Though he never lived up to expectations, he was a good bench piece who could play almost anywhere in the field. He had a great eye at the plate, almost too good. He showed flashes of brilliance but could never find the consistency. Wish him the best and hope he finds a good fit with another club.

[connorp]

You have a habit of taking a stance, then lumping the rest of the forum into a monolithic uninformed opposition to that stance, then tilting at the windmill you've created.

 

We all get our kicks one way or the other

[connorp]

I don't think there's anyone that has seriously stated IKF was a bargain. He's easily justified the contract with his performance up to this point however so there's no reason he would be placed on waivers.

 

Idk. Same reason they decided to give Vlad a look at 3b. Quietly hedging their bets. Say a month from now, if it’s looking the same, why not let him get claimed? But as I said, don’t think we’d know bc nobody would claim him

[Beau]

Well you cut my favourite player Shapiro.....Bye Bye you Jays killer.

[RustyTrombone]

Well you cut my favourite player Shapiro.....Bye Bye you Jays killer.

 

If Cavan Biggio was your favorite player you got some f***ing issues

[Spanky99]

We all get our kicks one way or the other

 

#HDMH c-poop... you'll be alright.

[Spanky99]

Idk. Same reason they decided to give Vlad a look at 3b. Quietly hedging their bets. Say a month from now, if it’s looking the same, why not let him get claimed? But as I said, don’t think we’d know bc nobody would claim him

 

WAT???? Quit trolling, fool.

[connorp]

If Cavan Biggio was your favorite player you got some f***ing issues

 

On the flip side, when a team is performing this badly, I guess it doesn’t hurt to try to take solace in the “bring the lunch pail to work” players on your team to keep the spirits up.

[connorp]

WAT???? Quit trolling, fool.

 

You think Vlad is playing 3b if Jays are at top of AL East standings right now?

[Spanky99]

You think Vlad is playing 3b if Jays are at top of AL East standings right now?

 

No, that'd mean players were playing above projections at their respective positions, duh.

 

Quit trolling... and it's pale.

[connorp]

No, that'd mean players were playing above projections at their respective positions, duh.

 

Quit trolling... and it's pale.

 

So essentially you’re just arguing to argue, jerk off. Even BTs said it’s funny how they built the team as they did, now changing that. So I said it may make sense they would put IKF on waivers and bail if there were takers for that $11m.

 

Where’s the toll there?

[Spanky99]

So essentially you’re just arguing to argue, jerk off. Even BTs said it’s funny how they built the team as they did, now changing that. So I said it may make sense they would put IKF on waivers and bail if there were takers for that $11m.

 

Where’s the toll there?

 

On your nearest freeway?

[Carlos Danger]

On your nearest freeway?

 

If there is a toll, is it really a freeway?

 

Just saying

[Spanky99]

If there is a toll, is it really a freeway?

 

Just saying

 

That's y'all 'Mericans issue, lol.

[Spanky99]

Egad.

[Abomination]

This is sad, but I'm OK with it.

 

I really enjoyed Biggio when he first came up. I loved that keen eye he had and he had enough pop in his bat back when MLB was using juiced balls to do some damage. He's such a smart base runner and a high baseball IQ.

 

Eliminating the juiced balls really hurt him. That uppercut swing no longer produced, but Biggio worked hard to flatten his swing out and to become a more versatile player to try and contribute as much as he could.

 

A player who was easy to cheer for. Wish him nothing but the best. I have no doubt he'll latch on elsewhere and I wouldn't be surprised if he continues to carve out a role at the ML level for several more years.

 

I don't think the ball had anything to do with it. I think he's focused so much on making sure he never swings at anything outside the zone that he's basically taking emergency swings and not letting it rip. I think someone will be able to fix him, but given that we're very much in the playoff hunt in spite of what has felt like an incredibly agonizing season, we don't have the luxury of doing it ourselves.

[Spanky99]

I don't think the ball had anything to do with it. I think he's focused so much on making sure he never swings at anything outside the zone that he's basically taking emergency swings and not letting it rip. I think someone will be able to fix him, but given that we're very much in the playoff hunt in spite of what has felt like an incredibly agonizing season, we don't have the luxury of doing it ourselves.

 

Biggio's just flawed, a perfectly cromulent bench bat with versatility.

[Sorrow]

I don't think the ball had anything to do with it. I think he's focused so much on making sure he never swings at anything outside the zone that he's basically taking emergency swings and not letting it rip. I think someone will be able to fix him, but given that we're very much in the playoff hunt in spite of what has felt like an incredibly agonizing season, we don't have the luxury of doing it ourselves.

 

I recall podcasts talking about the ball when they deadened it and someone said they thought Biggio would go from a 20-25hr bat to a single digit one because of how many of is HRs just went over the wall by 5-10 feet, and sure enough he hits a lot of warning track flyballs to RF.

 

In his first 162 games he put up 4.0 fWAR, which was phenomenal and then he had the back injury and the deadened ball and just sort of became useless.

[John_Havok]

If there is a toll, is it really a freeway?

 

Just saying

 

Why not? People park on driveways and drive on parkways.

[John_Havok]

I recall podcasts talking about the ball when they deadened it and someone said they thought Biggio would go from a 20-25hr bat to a single digit one because of how many of is HRs just went over the wall by 5-10 feet, and sure enough he hits a lot of warning track flyballs to RF.

 

In his first 162 games he put up 4.0 fWAR, which was phenomenal and then he had the back injury and the deadened ball and just sort of became useless.

 

Still a very cromulent bench piece.