GDT: 1/3 Chicago White Sox @ Toronto Blue Jays (3:07pm et)

[Omar]

The pitching matchup on Monday will feature White Sox righty Erick Fedde (4-0, 2.60) taking on Blue Jays' righty Jose Berrios (4-3, 2.82). The first pitch is scheduled for 3:07 PM EST.

Berrios: Career vs Current Chicago White Sox Roster

 

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[TD=class: data]152[/TD]

[TD=class: data]23.7[/TD]

[TD=class: data]8.6[/TD]

[TD=class: data].274[/TD]

[TD=class: data].343[/TD]

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[TD=class: data]85.8 MPH[/TD]

[TD=class: data]11.3[/TD]

[TD=class: data].260[/TD]

[TD=class: data].405[/TD]

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[Omar]

Jansen batting 2nd!!!!!

[hanton]

Jansen batting 2nd!!!!!

 

this is odd but we'll see

[hanton]

Jansen is more a 4/5 hitter

[M.E.]

Not a Vogelback super fan, but in typical Jays fashion the guy that guys off in a game is sitting the next day. Always seems so odd to me.

[max silver]

Jansen batting 2nd!!!!!

 

Placing a team's best hitters at the top of the lineup must be some kind of newfangled advanced strategy.

[Olerud363]

Jansen is more a 4/5 hitter

 

I think the days of certain kinds of hitters are long gone. Just best to worst with some consideration for a guys comfort in different spots.

 

I mean George Springer was never a prototypical so called lead off hitter. Just was happy to be there so that is where he ended up when Houston put there best hitters 1-4.

[Omar]

Jansen is more a 4/5 hitter

 

No, just getting him as many ab's per game as possible. Someone is waking up in Jaysland.

[L54]

The return of Paul DeJong

[Jays24]

Long overdue with this lineup. Still preferred Jansen batting 4th but easily prefer this than seeing him bat 7th in this s***** lineup.

[Jays24]

Not a Vogelback super fan, but in typical Jays fashion the guy that guys off in a game is sitting the next day. Always seems so odd to me.

 

Ya it really lacks common sense and shows how robotic this entire management team is. 0 feel for the game and how HUMAN'S work lol.

[Olerud363]

Not a Vogelback super fan, but in typical Jays fashion the guy that guys off in a game is sitting the next day. Always seems so odd to me.

 

 

I wonder how that decision gets made. Is it like a bad computer program that isn't accounting for recency bias enough? There is more than likely so signal in Yesterday's performance. However there is also no harm in weighting yesterday's performance higher, because as soon as Yesterday's performance is bad the guy will sit, and at worst it just results in someone getting rewarded an extra day.

 

Or is it bad human decision where the 'Turner vet must not sit 2 days' rule over-rides the 'Vogelbech hit big homerun, give him another game' rule.

[Jays24]

I wonder how that decision gets made. Is it like a bad computer program that isn't accounting for recency bias enough? There is more than likely so signal in Yesterday's performance. However there is also no harm in weighting yesterday's performance higher, because as soon as Yesterday's performance is bad the guy will sit, and at worst it just results in someone getting rewarded an extra day.

 

Or is it bad human decision where the 'Turner vet must not sit 2 days' rule over-rides the 'Vogelbech hit big homerun, give him another game' rule.

 

Like I'd understand if Turner was playing amazing so we had to get his bat back in the lineup but he's been pretty bad lately. Reward the players who do well considering how bad this lineup has been for 1.5 years now.

[hanton]

I think the days of certain kinds of hitters are long gone. Just best to worst with some consideration for a guys comfort in different spots.

 

I mean George Springer was never a prototypical so called lead off hitter. Just was happy to be there so that is where he ended up when Houston put there best hitters 1-4.

 

kind of I guess, and why I suggested batting Vlady led-off - but then again Vlady is alot quicker on the basepaths than Jansen

[G-Snarls]

Just glad they're trying different things

 

At the end of the day the underperforming guys need to figure something out

[G-Snarls]

Fedde is playing way over his head so far this season

 

Let's be the ones to knock him down to earth

[glory]

Turner has a 71 wRC+ against RHP this season, and 98 since the start of 2023. The team has a 26 year old 1B/DH in the minors who is putting up big numbers for the 2nd straight season in AAA and is likely a platoon bat only. This is such a no brainer decision for a team that supposedly wants to build a sustainable contender with waves of prospects coming up, but maybe that doesn’t apply to the Jays anymore. I can’t stand having Vogelbach on this team but he should be platooned with Turner if he’s up here.

[BatFlip]

Turner has a 71 wRC+ against RHP this season, and 98 since the start of 2023. The team has a 26 year old 1B/DH in the minors who is putting up big numbers for the 2nd straight season in AAA and is likely a platoon bat only. This is such a no brainer decision for a team that supposedly wants to build a sustainable contender with waves of prospects coming up, but maybe that doesn’t apply to the Jays anymore. I can’t stand having Vogelbach on this team but he should be platooned with Turner if he’s up here.

 

100%. They need to balance the future with the present, and there's no time like right now to make some changes and see if they stick. They can do a way better job protecting Turner (like they did with Belt) and they need to give some opportunities to these younger controllable guys.

[glory]

100%. They need to balance the future with the present, and there's no time like right now to make some changes and see if they stick. They can do a way better job protecting Turner (like they did with Belt) and they need to give some opportunities to these younger controllable guys.

 

A Barger/Clement platoon at 3B, Horowitz/Turner platoon at DH, and Martinez at 2B with DS in LF all seem doable to me. Even if it doesn’t turn things around this season, at least you’re getting a look at some players that maybe could contribute cheaply over the next few years. It would involve getting rid of Vogelbach, Biggio, and I guess KK to make it work, so not losing much of anything besides CF defense which Varsho already does well. With this club’s love for vetrins I can’t see them even considering this.

[G-Snarls]

Beautiful double play

[Jays24]

You can take the top 3 out of the Jays lineup but you cant take the Jays lineup out of the top 3 lol.

[Jays24]

Is Jansen the worst throwing catcher in baseball?

[Jays24]

The effects of not being able to shut down the running game...

[G-Snarls]

Phew

 

That could have gotten ugly

[Abomination]

kind of I guess, and why I suggested batting Vlady led-off - but then again Vlady is alot quicker on the basepaths than Jansen

 

According to Statcast, Jansen and Vladdy are almost the exact same speed on the basepaths.

[Omar]

Varsho you beauty!

[G-Snarls]

f*** yes Varsho

[Jays24]

Varsho showing off the power... dude reached for that ball and still pulled it outta here.

[BigCecil]

Varsho loves to golf that ball down out. Did same against Cano. Nice.

[Jays24]

Jays really trying hard to sell the stadium every game lol.