Jays sign IKF.... 2/15 LOL... F U Wacko!

[G-Snarls]

Is this a shock? I mean concerning they missed out on the Japanese guys, this is what was always going happen?

 

Signing Ohtani or not, trading for Soto or not, they were probably making this move either way

[connorp]

He was probably stretched at SS

 

Dude came up as a C, won a GG at third base, then the Yankees in all their wisdom decided he was a CF and SS

 

That’s where you put the people that can’t hit for s*** if you want to get anything out of them. Where’s the wisdom fail?

[connorp]

I thought I was all for pushing Biggio out of the lineup as much as possible, until now.

[connorp]

The move , in a vacuum, is not a “good move.” It’s kinda sideways and slightly backwards when dollars are considered if all you do is compare IKF to Espinal.

 

But, this move can’t be evaluated in a vacuum. IMO it’s clear they have a trade worked out and Espinal is part of it, they knew they needed to find a replacement, and it just happens that the signing is being announced before the trade.

 

At least, I hope that’s what it is because if that’s not the plan, the move doesn’t make a ton of sense.

 

A trade for what? An underperforming, low ceiling RP or something? Trade for that to pay a bench guy $17m that’s a marginal improvement to what you traded?

[connorp]

Not sure what to tell ya, bro? He's an elite left side infielder, look it up.

 

We now have 4 players on the MLB club that can catch...

 

Ah Spanky with the pom poms. Every time I think you’re the biggest douche I know, you one up it

[gruber92]

Why do fans have such a hard time chilling out until the end of the off-season? Outrage on Dec 27th before you have any idea what other moves will be made or what role IKF will play on this team is pretty stupid.

 

What's actually pretty stupid is that the role IKF will serve could have been filled internally without having to shave $7.5M annually for TWO years. Seriously though, Lantigua will give you the same if not better value at league minimum.

[Spanky99]

Ah Spanky with the pom poms. Every time I think you’re the biggest douche I know, you one up it

 

For saying he's good defensively? Attagirl stay saucy!

[connorp]

For saying he's good defensively? Attagirl stay saucy!

 

I’m not trying to rain on your parade. You and Laila will have a good time talking to each other about this thrifty signing at spin class today

[MikeM3]

The move , in a vacuum, is not a “good move.” It’s kinda sideways and slightly backwards when dollars are considered if all you do is compare IKF to Espinal.

 

But, this move can’t be evaluated in a vacuum. IMO it’s clear they have a trade worked out and Espinal is part of it, they knew they needed to find a replacement, and it just happens that the signing is being announced before the trade.

 

At least, I hope that’s what it is because if that’s not the plan, the move doesn’t make a ton of sense.

 

It might be that they think ikf is a breakout candidate bc of his exit velo increase

[BigCecil]

Why do fans have such a hard time chilling out until the end of the off-season? Outrage on Dec 27th before you have any idea what other moves will be made or what role IKF will play on this team is pretty stupid.

 

Of course. The off season isnt complete. Some fan's reaction's are related to their perception of the last few seasons and a number of other things including heightened expectations surrounding the hunt for Sho and Soto and other big names Jays were in on or rumored to be in on (whether true or reporter's ********).

 

While not "outraged", I happened to really hate watching IKF play when he was in pin stripes and I am really not looking forward to 2 seasons of him here. I get he is a glove and Espy sucks, but it sticks in my craw having to pay that kind of depth coming off a 0.2 WAR season 2/15.

 

I dont know what the budget is other than what Shapiro said but we have spent $30M ish AAV on OF and IF D and a set up man coming off elbow surgery - so far. I still think a more major move via trade is in the works (that may or may not happen) and we pick up a Hoskins or a JD type bat.

[wilko]

It's cool the Jays were able to lock up Joe Panik again.

[connorp]

Of course. The off season isnt complete. Some fan's reaction's are related to their perception of the last few seasons and a number of other things including heightened expectations surrounding the hunt for Sho and Soto and other big names Jays were in on or rumored to be in on (whether true or reporter's ********).

 

While not "outraged", I happened to really hate watching IKF play when he was in pin stripes and I am really not looking forward to 2 seasons of him here. I get he is a glove and Espy sucks, but it sticks in my craw having to pay that kind of depth coming off a 0.2 WAR season 2/15.

 

I dont know what the budget is other than what Shapiro said but we have spent $30M ish AAV on OF and IF D and a set up man coming off elbow surgery - so far. I still think a more major move via trade is in the works (that may or may not happen) and we pick up a Hoskins or a JD type bat.

 

On the flip side, I enjoyed seeing IKG play in pinstripes as he was a fine contributor to those god awful lineups they would toss out there.

[glory]

It might be that they think ikf is a breakout candidate bc of his exit velo increase

 

Yeah I think this plays a part. Atkins doesn't mind overpaying in years, dollars, or both for players he thinks the org can fix. Smoak was one, Kikuchi a more recent one. I think IKF having an extra gear offensively is a huge stretch and the Jays will be grateful to get a 2 WAR combined out of him over the next two years, but I don't think Atkins makes this type of move hoping he's a seldom played depth piece. For better or worse, he's getting 400+ PA. Whether that's as a bench player or starting 3B is the question. I really hope it's not the latter.

[Laika]

It might be that they think ikf is a breakout candidate bc of his exit velo increase

 

Interesting

 

Looks like the Yankees got his maxEV up but not his launch angle

 

109.6 is still bad but not bottom of the league

 

Better maxEV than Cody Bellinger, lmao

 

He can hit a baseball harder than Danny Jansen.

Harder than 2023 Kirk.

Even with Biggio.

Much better than KK, Espinal, or Whit

 

There's 12+ homers in this useless bat!!!!!

Edited December 28, 2023 by Laika

[saskjayfan]

Interesting

 

Looks like the Yankees got his maxEV up but not his launch angle

 

109.6 is still bad but not bottom of the league

 

Better maxEV than Cody Bellinger, lmao

 

He can hit a baseball harder than Danny Jansen.

Harder than 2023 Kirk.

Even with Biggio.

Much better than KK, Espinal, or Whit

 

There's 12+ homers in this useless bat!!!!!

 

He's dogshit. 6.8 mil of free agent dollars should have been allocated to premium free agents. Martinez, Schneider, Biggio, Espi, Barger, Horowitz, clement, Lopez, Palmegiani. They have cover for 2nd, 3rd, outfield. This front office is too stubborn to realize Varsho is never going to hit. This team needs offense.

[BTS]

He's dogshit. 6.8 mil of free agent dollars should have been allocated to premium free agents. Martinez, Schneider, Biggio, Espi, Barger, Horowitz, clement, Lopez, Palmegiani. They have cover for 2nd, 3rd, outfield. This front office is too stubborn to realize Varsho is never going to hit. This team needs offense.

 

He hit in 2021 and 2022. Curious as to why you think 2023 is his permanent level. Projections have him back to a bit above league average.

[Jimcanuck]

recency bias

[TheHurl]

Ross exists on a different frequency that we yet to grasp.

Many here have grasped it and given pretty good explanations. He values depth, he values floor, he values value whether it comes from the bat, glove or legs. He also likely believes the offense is good enough, it needs improvements from the players

[Laika]

He's dogshit. 6.8 mil of free agent dollars should have been allocated to premium free agents. Martinez, Schneider, Biggio, Espi, Barger, Horowitz, clement, Lopez, Palmegiani. They have cover for 2nd, 3rd, outfield. This front office is too stubborn to realize Varsho is never going to hit. This team needs offense.

 

Okay bro

 

Grrrrr arrrrr

[JaysAllMighty]

He's dogshit. 6.8 mil of free agent dollars should have been allocated to premium free agents. Martinez, Schneider, Biggio, Espi, Barger, Horowitz, clement, Lopez, Palmegiani. They have cover for 2nd, 3rd, outfield. This front office is too stubborn to realize Varsho is never going to hit. This team needs offense.

 

Varsho will come around and IKF is a done deal so you should get over it and give him a chance.

 

Edited December 28, 2023 by JaysAllMighty

[TheHurl]

He's dogshit. 6.8 mil of free agent dollars should have been allocated to premium free agents. Martinez, Schneider, Biggio, Espi, Barger, Horowitz, clement, Lopez, Palmegiani. They have cover for 2nd, 3rd, outfield. This front office is too stubborn to realize Varsho is never going to hit. This team needs offense.

And what value do Martinez, Schnieder, Biggio, Barger, Horowitz, and Palmegiani have when they are not hitting (all of which have either not proven they can hit, or have shown an ability to not hit for extended periods of time)? If any of the guys show an ability to hit for more value than IKF's glove they likely get playing time. This is the exact definition of raising the floor. IKF is now the floor. The other guys have to show an ability to be better than that to get PT. The coaches (and this may be the flaw) have to use the data they have and give the people showing batting improvements the opportunities. Essentially if you are pro-internal options. You should like the IKF move.

 

Your hatred for Varsho there is nothing I can do for you there. If you can't see what his and KKs glive has done for the Jays run prevention, than I think you should consider a different sport. Maybe a 1 on 1 sport

[connorp]

He hit in 2021 and 2022. Curious as to why you think 2023 is his permanent level. Projections have him back to a bit above league average.

 

Let’s not distract from the general unity that you were part of. Dog s*** signing

[MikeM3]

Interesting

 

Looks like the Yankees got his maxEV up but not his launch angle

 

109.6 is still bad but not bottom of the league

 

Better maxEV than Cody Bellinger, lmao

 

He can hit a baseball harder than Danny Jansen.

Harder than 2023 Kirk.

Even with Biggio.

Much better than KK, Espinal, or Whit

 

There's 12+ homers in this useless bat!!!!!

 

He changed his swing and said he was actually swinging harder. He had nice numbers 1st half then imploded. I think we view him as a legit upside play not a bench guy

[Jays333]

Atkins- Trades number 1 catching prospect in the league for Dalton f***ing Varsho.

- Devises insane plan to pull a red hot hot Berrios after 3 innings and s*** the bed in yet another playoff game

- Gets used like a fiddle for Ohtani's camp as leverage

- Resigns KK and signs this guy in what is clearly a continued approach in run prevention when this teams needs are obviously power and offense

 

Its not been a good couple of years for Shatkins thats all ill say.

[saskjayfan]

He hit in 2021 and 2022. Curious as to why you think 2023 is his permanent level. Projections have him back to a bit above league average.

 

He was 18% below league average in 21 and 16% below league average in 22. He was 18% below leaague avg in 23. What's your definition of hitting? He's dogshit. I have no doubt Martinez, Shneider and Biggio will be better than IKF.

[BTS]

He was 18% below league average in 21 and 16% below league average in 22. He was 18% below leaague avg in 23. What's your definition of hitting? He's dogshit. I have no doubt Martinez, Shneider and Biggio will be better than IKF.

 

Varsho. You said he’s never going to hit. He hit in 2021 and 2022.

[connorp]

Varsho. You said he’s never going to hit. He hit in 2021 and 2022.

 

You cherry picked something that wasn’t the point of his post. That’s what you get

[saskjayfan]

And what value do Martinez, Schnieder, Biggio, Barger, Horowitz, and Palmegiani have when they are not hitting (all of which have either not proven they can hit, or have shown an ability to not hit for extended periods of time)? If any of the guys show an ability to hit for more value than IKF's glove they likely get playing time. This is the exact definition of raising the floor. IKF is now the floor. The other guys have to show an ability to be better than that to get PT. The coaches (and this may be the flaw) have to use the data they have and give the people showing batting improvements the opportunities. Essentially if you are pro-internal options. You should like the IKF move.

 

Your hatred for Varsho there is nothing I can do for you there. If you can't see what his and KKs glive has done for the Jays run prevention, than I think you should consider a different sport. Maybe a 1 on 1 sport

 

Yes Varsho is a good defender. No one is questioning that. He's not a very good hitter. I don't think he will be a good hitter. He has too many holes. I think there's still trade value. People who think they can fix him. His contact rates just aren't there. I would love to see him traded. This team needs offense. I'd rather sacrifice run prevention for adding runs scored. We gave up 5 runs in 2 games in the playoffs and lost both due to a lack of offense. I also acknowlege we're not going to trade him. We're going to sign a DH and run the same team as last year out with IKF replacing Chapman and minus Hicks. That's depressing.

[Terminator]

He's dogshit. 6.8 mil of free agent dollars should have been allocated to premium free agents. Martinez, Schneider, Biggio, Espi, Barger, Horowitz, clement, Lopez, Palmegiani. They have cover for 2nd, 3rd, outfield. This front office is too stubborn to realize Varsho is never going to hit. This team needs offense.

 

There aren't any this year outside of Ohtani and Yamamoto and the Dodgers weren't going to let either one of them sign with the Jays.

[Carlos Danger]

Yes Varsho is a good defender. No one is questioning that. He's not a very good hitter. I don't think he will be a good hitter. He has too many holes. I think there's still trade value. People who think they can fix him. His contact rates just aren't there. I would love to see him traded. This team needs offense. I'd rather sacrifice run prevention for adding runs scored. We gave up 5 runs in 2 games in the playoffs and lost both due to a lack of offense. I also acknowlege we're not going to trade him. We're going to sign a DH and run the same team as last year out with IKF replacing Chapman and minus Hicks. That's depressing.

 

We scored 8 runs in game 2 of the WC we lost to the Mariners. We can’t go one way or the other, we need both to be sustainable winners.