2023 MLB Postseason Thread

[connorp]

Also the unwarranted surety and confidence with which it was delivered, combined with the general abrasiveness towards anyone pushing back.

 

Because honestly you guys don’t offer anything constructive. It’s just like Pat Borders won WS MVP and the Royals went to the WS 28 years ago. Theres real legit data to dive through to better understand the playoff environment. At least some people like the FG writer are open to understanding something different than what they think

[BTS]

Seeing the videos today of Arcia and Acuna Jr from their dugout interacting with the Phillies fans motioning for them to be quiet and gesturing back at them, shows just how in their heads the fans got.

 

The worst thing the players could do is acknowledge to those fans that they were getting to them. Its like blood in the water for a shark. Especially in Philly.

 

Looked like Acuna thinks Arcia is a bit of a dipshit

[BTS]

Because honestly you guys don’t offer anything constructive. It’s just like Pat Borders won WS MVP and the Royals went to the WS 28 years ago. Theres real legit data to dive through to better understand the playoff environment. At least some people like the FG writer are open to understanding something different than what they think

 

If you had framed your idea in the way the FG writer probably did “hey I wonder if… “ it wouldn’t have turned into a drawn out multi-day BJMB brawl. Olerud makes posts like that all the time.

[Terminator]

Because honestly you guys don’t offer anything constructive. It’s just like Pat Borders won WS MVP and the Royals went to the WS 28 years ago. Theres real legit data to dive through to better understand the playoff environment. At least some people like the FG writer are open to understanding something different than what they think

 

You and jaysblue have been arguing that the D-Bags have an "energetic young core" and that "aces win" so it's "not surprising" that certain teams like them advance. How is that diving through real legit data?

[connorp]

You and jaysblue have been arguing that the D-Bags have an "energetic young core" and that "aces win" so it's "not surprising" that certain teams like them advance. How is that diving through real legit data?

 

I don’t recall trying to put value on energetic young core. CNN work there

[BTS]

Also, I’m officially calling connorp out for disparaging the intelligence of the forum regulars when he hasn’t won a forum league since the Obama administration

[Terminator]

I don’t recall trying to put value on energetic young core. CNN work there

 

Must have been jaysblue then. You definitely have been talking about aces though and 40% of their playoff games have been started by Brandon Pfart.

[connorp]

Also, I’m officially calling connorp out for disparaging the intelligence of the forum regulars when he hasn’t won a forum league since the Obama administration

 

My friend. Careful what you wish for

You guys challenged me to rebuild, it’s done

[connorp]

Must have been jaysblue then. You definitely have been talking about aces though and 40% of their playoff games have been started by Brandon Pfart.

 

The importance of aces is something I think even Laila begrudgingly concedes

[connorp]

Dodgers were always a team they had strong SP for the playoffs. They got caught with their pants down this year. I expect it to be addressed. Not sure what guys are back from injury and when

[Terminator]

The importance of aces is something I think even Laila begrudgingly concedes

 

He says while ignoring Brandon Pfart starting 40% of their games

[connorp]

He says while ignoring Brandon Pfart starting 40% of their games

 

Im not interested in the randomness, which is ironic here.

[jaysblue]

You and jaysblue have been arguing that the D-Bags have an "energetic young core" and that "aces win" so it's "not surprising" that certain teams like them advance. How is that diving through real legit data?

 

Why are you pairing with me with Connorp? Geez all I said is that the D'Backs had a young exciting core lead by Corbin Carroll, an ace in Gallen and another good starter in Kelly, along with facing both a Brewers and Dodgers team at the right time when their rotations weren't 100% in a short series. I've always said a short series like the WC and DS are random and that the D'Backs are a team that could benefit from a short series, as any WC team that made it. Geez man, you can't say anything on this message board anymore.

 

I haven't been arguing back and forth about the D'Backs with anyone on here lmao, where have you been?

[jaysblue]

Must have been jaysblue then. You definitely have been talking about aces though and 40% of their playoff games have been started by Brandon Pfart.

 

Again, what is wrong in saying they have an exciting young core lead by Corbin Carroll? Seriously? Carroll is NL ROY and was in the MVP discussion for the first half the season. He offers power and speed. He's one of the more exciting young players in the game. What is wrong in stating that?

[Terminator]

Why are you pairing with me with Connorp? Geez all I said is that the D'Backs had a young exciting core lead by Corbin Carroll, an ace in Gallen and another good starter in Kelly, along with facing both a Brewers and Dodgers team at the right time when their rotations weren't 100% in a short series. I've always said a short series like the WC and DS are random and that the D'Backs are a team that could benefit from a short series, as any WC team that made it. Geez man, you can't say anything on this message board anymore.

 

I haven't been arguing anything about the D'Backs you fool lol.

 

You made the decision to team up with the welchers and sex pests of the board to make the argument that randomness doesn't play a huge factor in playoff baseball, don't blame me pal!

[jaysblue]

You made the decision to team up with the welchers and sex pests of the board to make the argument that randomness doesn't play a huge factor in playoff baseball, don't blame me pal!

 

I never said randomness doesn't play a huge factor in the WC or DS. Stop putting words in my mouth or posting stuff that I never said. Please actually read my posts and stop associating me with ConnorP because I just stated the obvious about the D'Backs lol.

[jaysblue]

FFS the last couple of pages have been ConnorP arguing with BTS and Laika, yet my name gets thrown into this lol. Crazy. Do better Term!

[Terminator]

Again, what is wrong in saying they have an exciting young core lead by Corbin Carroll? Seriously? Carroll is NL ROY and was in the MVP discussion for the first half the season. He offers power and speed. He's one of the more exciting young players in the game. What is wrong in stating that?

 

What's wrong is that this was all done in the context of how randomness played a factor in who advanced and who didn't. You said you knew that the Jays simply couldn't advance, and then when I said what about the 84 win D-Bags you then said something along the lines of "well I knew they were dangerous because they had an exciting young core and a good offense." And this went on for days.

 

Not sure what an exciting and young core even means necessarily, nor how that would matter, when it comes to playoff baseball and it also wasn't even true that the D-Bags had a better offense than us.

 

If you want to walk that back now and admit that randomness played a bigger factor than anything else then I'd be glad to hear it.

[Terminator]

I never said randomness doesn't play a huge factor in the WC or DS. Stop putting words in my mouth or posting stuff that I never said. Please actually read my posts and stop associating me with ConnorP because I just stated the obvious about the D'Backs lol.

 

You are going to blame someone else for mischaracterizing an argument? lol that's rich

[connorp]

You made the decision to team up with the welchers and sex pests of the board to make the argument that randomness doesn't play a huge factor in playoff baseball, don't blame me pal!

 

This is the Strawman you guys built. Of course randomness exists in the regular season and post season. Nerds dedicate their time to tuning out the randomness and developing formulas to determine probabilities. I simply stated that the formulas for playoff baseball would have to restructured in order to be as accurate as regular season ones. The massive wRC+ difference of 19 points backs this up. From there it would have to get even nerdier. Even after you make tweaks to the formula, there will still be randomness. So to claim anyone said randomness doesn’t exist, is just a childish debate tactic.

[jaysblue]

What's wrong is that this was all done in the context of how randomness played a factor in who advanced and who didn't. You said you knew that the Jays simply couldn't advance, and then when I said what about the 84 win D-Bags you then said something along the lines of "well I knew they were dangerous because they had an exciting young core and a good offense." And this went on for days.

 

Not sure what an exciting and young core even means necessarily, nor how that would matter, when it comes to playoff baseball and it also wasn't even true that the D-Bags had a better offense than us.

 

If you want to walk that back now and admit that randomness played a bigger factor than anything else then I'd be glad to hear it.

 

I said that the Jays lineup played like s*** all season long and after 162 games + 2 WC games, nothing changed in the Postseason. This was days ago lol so I don't know why my name all of a sudden is being tossed into this. I've never said the Jays could never advance past the WC round. I was pretty optimistic that with their rotation and bullpen, they could do well in a short series. Go look at all my posts before the Postseason.

 

All I said was that the lineup was the issue and it wasn't just because of randomness or bad luck for those two games in Minny, they were awful all year long. If the Jays bats slugged their way through the WC and DS, then we can say randomness and good luck definitely played a factor considering how bad their bats were overall this season!

[jaysblue]

You are going to blame someone else for mischaracterizing an argument? lol that's rich

 

Please go and find my posts where I said randomness doesn't play a huge factor in the WC or DS!

[Terminator]

This is the Strawman you guys built. Of course randomness exists in the regular season and post season. Nerds dedicate their time to tuning out the randomness and developing formulas to determine probabilities. I simply stated that the formulas for playoff baseball would have to restructured in order to be as accurate as regular season ones. The massive wRC+ difference of 19 points backs this up. From there it would have to get even nerdier. Even after you make tweaks to the formula, there will still be randomness. So to claim anyone said randomness doesn’t exist, is just a childish debate tactic.

 

You spent the better part of three days arguing how the D-Bags winning wasn't random because, "They have some big bats that can do damage. Marte, Walker, Corbin. Guys like Moreno unlocking some potential. They have an Ace is Gallen. 4 games, they got to use him two." That's just looking at the results and then using general baseball jargon to go back and describe what happened.

 

Now you seem to be admitting that randomness does play a factor, but you're arguing that we shouldn't just rely on the narrative that everything is random. I agree, teams shouldn't do that. They should be diving into the playoff atmosphere to see what works better in the playoffs to try and maximize their chances. No team should just throw up their hands and say it's random. But that doesn't change the fact that randomness will always play a huge role. It will and teams should and probably are trying to factor in what they can do to minimize randomness to the best of their ability.

[BigCecil]

Pat Borders was the 1992 World Series MVP. There's a good example of randomness for everyone.

 

Yep. And Paul Molitor #HOF won it for the '93 world series with the Jays. 4-7 games almost anyone can get hot. The list back to '97 is interesting:

 

2022: Jeremy Peña (Shortstop - Houston Astros)

2021: Jorge Soler (Outfielder, designated hitter - Atlanta Braves)

2020: Corey Seager (Shortstop - Los Angeles Dodgers)

2019: Stephen Strasburg (Pitcher - Washington Nationals)

2018: Steve Pearce (First baseman - Boston Red Sox)

2017: George Springer (Outfielder - Houston Astros)

2016: Ben Zobrist (Second baseman/Outfielder - Chicago Cubs)

2015: Salvador Pérez (Catcher - Kansas City Royals)

2014: Madison Bumgarner (Pitcher - San Francisco Giants)

2013: David Ortiz (Designated hitter - Boston Red Sox)

2012: Pablo Sandoval (Third baseman - San Francisco Giants)

2011: David Freese (Third baseman - St. Louis Cardinals)

2010: Edgar Rentería (Shortstop - San Francisco Giants)

2009: Hideki Matsui (Designated hitter - New York Yankees)

2008: Cole Hamels (Pitcher - Philadelphia Phillies)

2007: Mike Lowell (Third baseman - Boston Red Sox)

2006: David Eckstein (Shortstop - St. Louis Cardinals)

2005: Jermaine Dye (Outfielder - Chicago White Sox)

2004: Manny Ramirez (Outfielder - Boston Red Sox)

2003: Josh Beckett (Pitcher - Florida Marlins)

2002: Troy Glaus (Third baseman - Anaheim Angels)

2001: Curt Schilling (Pitcher - Arizona Diamondbacks)

2001: Randy Johnson (Pitcher - Arizona Diamondbacks)

2000: Derek Jeter (Shortstop - New York Yankees)

1999: Mariano Rivera (Pitcher - New York Yankees)

1998: Scott Brosius (Third baseman - New York Yankees)

1997: Livan Hernandez (Pitcher - Florida Marlins)

[connorp]

You spent the better part of three days arguing how the D-Bags winning wasn't random because, "They have some big bats that can do damage. Marte, Walker, Corbin. Guys like Moreno unlocking some potential. They have an Ace is Gallen. 4 games, they got to use him two." That's just looking at the results and then using general baseball jargon to go back and describe what happened.

 

Now you seem to be admitting that randomness does play a factor, but you're arguing that we shouldn't just rely on the narrative that everything is random. I agree, teams shouldn't do that. They should be diving into the playoff atmosphere to see what works better in the playoffs to try and maximize their chances. No team should just throw up their hands and say it's random. But that doesn't change the fact that randomness will always play a huge role. It will and teams should and probably are trying to factor in what they can do to minimize randomness to the best of their ability.

 

Ok. Now we can agree on this and officially end the debate. Now it’s you and Jaysblue still standing

[Terminator]

Please go and find my posts where I said randomness doesn't play a huge factor in the WC or DS!

 

Dude, this all started when I said if you get into the playoffs anything can happen.

 

Then you wrote a couple of paragraphs in reply, the first of which was on how the Jays didn't do anything in the regular season (+75 run differential) that showed us that they could advance. The second one was how the D-Bags did in fact show signs (with their -15 RD) that they could advance. lol

 

If you think that randomness was a huge factor you would would have just agreed with me and saved us both a bunch of time.

[Terminator]

Yep. And Paul Molitor #HOF won it for the '93 world series with the Jays. 4-7 games almost anyone can get hot. The list back to '97 is interesting:

 

2022: Jeremy Peña (Shortstop - Houston Astros)

2021: Jorge Soler (Outfielder, designated hitter - Atlanta Braves)

2020: Corey Seager (Shortstop - Los Angeles Dodgers)

2019: Stephen Strasburg (Pitcher - Washington Nationals)

2018: Steve Pearce (First baseman - Boston Red Sox)

2017: George Springer (Outfielder - Houston Astros)

2016: Ben Zobrist (Second baseman/Outfielder - Chicago Cubs)

2015: Salvador Pérez (Catcher - Kansas City Royals)

2014: Madison Bumgarner (Pitcher - San Francisco Giants)

2013: David Ortiz (Designated hitter - Boston Red Sox)

2012: Pablo Sandoval (Third baseman - San Francisco Giants)

2011: David Freese (Third baseman - St. Louis Cardinals)

2010: Edgar Rentería (Shortstop - San Francisco Giants)

2009: Hideki Matsui (Designated hitter - New York Yankees)

2008: Cole Hamels (Pitcher - Philadelphia Phillies)

2007: Mike Lowell (Third baseman - Boston Red Sox)

2006: David Eckstein (Shortstop - St. Louis Cardinals)

2005: Jermaine Dye (Outfielder - Chicago White Sox)

2004: Manny Ramirez (Outfielder - Boston Red Sox)

2003: Josh Beckett (Pitcher - Florida Marlins)

2002: Troy Glaus (Third baseman - Anaheim Angels)

2001: Curt Schilling (Pitcher - Arizona Diamondbacks)

2001: Randy Johnson (Pitcher - Arizona Diamondbacks)

2000: Derek Jeter (Shortstop - New York Yankees)

1999: Mariano Rivera (Pitcher - New York Yankees)

1998: Scott Brosius (Third baseman - New York Yankees)

1997: Livan Hernandez (Pitcher - Florida Marlins)

 

Wow that's an interesting list! Steve Pearce definitely the most random guy on there. Good for him.

[BTS]

My god I love this forum. I also hate this forum.

[connorp]

My god I love this forum. I also hate this forum.

 

You’re mostly just happy I came into your life 15+ years ago. You’re welcome

[Stangstag]

My god I love this forum. I also hate this forum.

 

A lot of stubborn f***ers on here that think they’re always right