General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[bluejaysinternNo5]

The FO has significantly more information than we do, so yes, I give them the benefit of the doubt. I'm sorry that type of logic isn't supported by some.

 

This is sound logic. No one is denying that they have limited information. However, I think the conflict between groups of people on this board stems from how much faith the organization is given.

 

Brownie gives the organization 110% faith. He is the equivalent of a devout religious follower. The front office always has more information, therefore there is no point in questioning their actions - in his view, the best action was always taken, given the information available.If he were a White Sox (or…. Red Sox 🤔 ) fan, the front office would still be given the benefit of the doubt on every move, as they always have more information.

 

Other members also acknowledge this fog of war, while also admitting humans make mistakes. Or they just actually like discussing baseball on a baseball forum beyond the obvious “go team, go!!”

[Brownie19]

This is sound logic. No one is denying that they have limited information. However, I think the conflict between groups of people on this board stems from how much faith the organization is given.

 

Brownie gives the organization 110% faith. He is the equivalent of a devout religious follower. The front office always has more information, therefore there is no point in questioning their actions - in his view, the best action was always taken, given the information available.If he were a White Sox (or…. Red Sox �� ) fan, the front office would still be given the benefit of the doubt on every move, as they always have more information.

 

Other members also acknowledge this fog of war, while also admitting humans make mistakes. Or they just actually like discussing baseball on a baseball forum beyond the obvious “go team, go!!”

 

That's fair. I probably do lean towards supporting the FO too much, because they have a lot more information than I do. I think it's because in general, I'm sick of the general public questioning almost decision made while having next to no information. Too many people unknowingly sit atop Mount Stupid in all facets of life. I deal with lots of councils through my work and I see them over and over again, choosing not to listen to the experts. We have people who own flower shops going against sound engineering judgement for no apparent reason other than that's what their gut says to do or 1 article they read on Google that morning. It's ridiculous.

 

I think it's clear that I'm all for having good conversations about baseball and I'm open to admitting when I'm wrong. I'm not overly interested in comments like "Swanson struggled in AAA and thus obviously wasn't ready to be called up". Comments based solely on results are pretty dumb IMO. Even if the logic is spot on, players will fail from time to time. No decision comes with any guaranteed results. If we just went with results and with what the reactionary people on this board wanted - then Varsho would have been benched already and wouldn't be leading the team in WAR right?

 

Also - I've been pretty firm that I'm pleased with the results of this FO. We've been to the playoffs in 3 of the last 4 years and missed out on going 4 for 4 by 1 game. I do believe playoff results are a crap shoot and I don't place a lot of value on them. Accordingly, this has been one of the most successful runs for the Blue Jays in the past 30 years from my perspective. So - would I support the FO of the White Sox the same as I would the Jays? No, no I would not (by the way, I used to be a HUGE White Sox fan back in the 90's and early 00's - Frank Thomas was my guy).

 

Hope that helps. I can go back to throwing around moronic reactionary comments if you'd like?

Edited April 18, 2024 by Brownie19

[BigCecil]

Odd choices. Pearson has best outing of his career (arguably) and down he goes.

 

Up come 2 arms with track records but no real spring and limited build up AAA reps.

 

We barely survive the Romano experience the night before hanging on to W, and last night Swanson craters into an L.

 

Pen use choices are about the easiest thing to second guess and have perfect hindsight on in baseball, so I'm not ticked off. More head scratching.

 

I am more concerned about Green than any of this frankly given he just came out from under knife recovery late in '23.

[Stangstag]

Odd choices. Pearson has best outing of his career (arguably) and down he goes.

 

Up come 2 arms with track records but no real spring and limited build up AAA reps.

 

We barely survive the Romano experience the night before hanging on to W, and last night Swanson craters into an L.

 

Pen use choices are about the easiest thing to second guess and have perfect hindsight on in baseball, so I'm not ticked off. More head scratching.

 

I am more concerned about Green than any of this frankly given he just came out from under knife recovery late in '23.

 

This after seeing that Gausman clearly isn’t ready or built up from his injury either.

 

Also the Manoah rollercoaster in 2022 where he clearly still had no control in his minor league outings and he was brought back up to the majors and was still a disaster.

 

Also remember the Belt thing in 2022 where he barely played in spring and clearly wasn’t ready, looked like he hadn’t swung a bat in 6 months for the first few weeks of the season.

 

If it was a 1-time occurrence then fine i’d give them a pass. But it seems to be a recurring issue putting guys into roles/spots where they clearly aren’t ready or capable.

 

Im almost certain it will happen again with Manoah soon enough.

 

The front office seems to not care about punting games in April/May, and its been a recurring issue each year.

[Terminator]

It's not an exact science and it's extremely easy to criticize all the moves with hindsight.

 

Gausman's first start was very good. Hard to fault them for that.

 

They got an excellent season out of the corpse of Brandon Belt. Hard to fault them for that one too.

 

Yariel was very quickly called up and that one seemed to work.

 

Romano got it done even though it was ugly. Swanson didn't but he's a better pitcher than Pearson. With hindsight he should have gotten a longer rehab I guess but if he's healthy I can see why they would call him up.

[jaysblue]

Great point.

 

Although Brownie will now come and tell us all why the front office made the correct decision and that we’re all armchair GMs.

 

Now you're starting to understand why he is one of the more insufferable posters on this board.

[jaysblue]

Odd choices. Pearson has best outing of his career (arguably) and down he goes.

 

Up come 2 arms with track records but no real spring and limited build up AAA reps.

 

We barely survive the Romano experience the night before hanging on to W, and last night Swanson craters into an L.

 

Pen use choices are about the easiest thing to second guess and have perfect hindsight on in baseball, so I'm not ticked off. More head scratching.

 

I am more concerned about Green than any of this frankly given he just came out from under knife recovery late in '23.

 

Stop being an armchair GM

[Stangstag]

Now you're starting to understand why he is one of the more insufferable posters on this board.

 

Remember you used to call me an “Atkins apologist” or something?

[BigCecil]

My dude, this team looks formidable. 10-8 after a grueling first 18 game schedule that involved a 10 day road trip against three elite teams and then a homestand that ended with the Judge-Soto Yankees and began with arch nemesis Cal Raleigh and his gigantic dumper.

 

Accomplished without:

 

- Kevin Gausman helping at all

- Danny Jansen

- Romano and Swanson

- Vlad, Bo, KK, Varsho, and Kirk doing much of anything. Minor caveat being the defensive contributions of the latter three.

 

It's just a clutch team that knows how to win. Elite bullpen + defense is going to mean stealing games in winning 2/3 of the close ones.

 

When VladBo get hot, it's lights out for the rest of the league.

 

I respect optimism my dude. This board is full of Bears and Bulls. I consider myself a Beaull.

 

I started writing out some point by point responses - then said f*** it.

 

I predicted an 85 Win season. I'll leave it at I am more confident in that prediction now, than when the season started. Also, I'll be very f***ing happy if you are right.

[Terminator]

This board is full of Bears and Bulls. I consider myself a Beaull.

 

^Non-committal fence sitter

[Spanky99]

Now you're starting to understand why he is one of the more insufferable posters on this board.

 

Pot meet Kettle? lmao

[Stangstag]

^Non-committal fence sitter

 

Life isn’t black and white, hopefully you learn this someday

[Terminator]

Life isn’t black and white, hopefully you learn this someday

 

^Salty that I was so right about IKF being such a great signing

[The_DH]

I think everyone agrees that the IKF signing in and of itself was not a bad one. The only bad thing is thinking he'd be a full time player and in signing him, the team would not sign a real 3b.

[Terminator]

Which one of you is this?

 

[BTS]

Which one of you is this?

 

 

Probably the guy who posts multiple times in every GDT about how the team should fire Martinez

[jaysblue]

Which one of you is this?

 

 

Brownie would call him an armchair GM and put him in his place!

[jaysblue]

Remember you used to call me an “Atkins apologist” or something?

 

Yup, but glad to see you now being more critical and questioning decisions made by this FO. Agree with a lot of your posts on here.

[Brownie19]

This after seeing that Gausman clearly isn’t ready or built up from his injury either.

 

I find this interesting. There were lots of people who wanted the Jays to let Gausman build up his stamina in the majors (after he looked good in his minor league tune ups). You think he still should be in AAA right now? Did you want him shutdown when he couldn't hit 90 MPH in his 2nd start?

 

His BABIP is sky high and his LOB% is horrendous. I certainly want him in the majors right now and wanted him on the mound yesterday v. the Yankees. Did you want Mitch White or Francis starting instead?

[Brownie19]

Now you're starting to understand why he is one of the more insufferable posters on this board.

 

I'm sorry you're unable to understand the differences and the nuances of the discussion. Being a tampon must be a difficult condition to live with.

Edited April 19, 2024 by Brownie19

[Brownie19]

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Barf.

[Stangstag]

I find this interesting. There were lots of people who wanted the Jays to let Gausman build up his stamina in the majors (after he looked good in his minor league tune ups). You think he still should be in AAA right now? Did you want him shutdown when he couldn't hit 90 MPH in his 2nd start?

 

His BABIP is sky high and his LOB% is horrendous. I certainly want him in the majors right now and wanted him on the mound yesterday v. the Yankees. Did you want Mitch White or Francis starting instead?

 

I’ll pull a play from your book:

 

All we can see as the fans are games on TV. He looked great in his spring start when he came back from injury.

 

But the front office has more evidence and should know better than to be swayed by in-game results. He probably should have been built up first.

[Stangstag]

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Barf.

 

Maybe he’ll adjust by the time he’s 34

[Brownie19]

Maybe he’ll adjust by the time he’s 34

 

I think the issue is....he already made the adjustment! Why didn't he just stick with the 2021 mechanics? Did his big gut cause changes in 2022? We'll never know.

[Brownie19]

I’ll pull a play from your book:

 

All we can see as the fans are games on TV. He looked great in his spring start when he came back from injury.

 

But the front office has more evidence and should know better than to be swayed by in-game results. He probably should have been built up first.

 

um - that wouldn't be my playbook at all? My playbook would be the team all the information and they, along with a veteran like Gausman determined he was ready to compete and give the team innings at the ML level (better innings than the alternatives like Mitch White would have). Were they wrong? Has he had some bad luck in his early starts? I'd suggest you can't just look at the results to make that determination.

 

I also think veteran guys like Gausman and Swanson impact these decisions. They know their bodies and should have good understanding of when they're ready to compete and contribute at the ML level.

[Krylian]

I think the issue is....he already made the adjustment! Why didn't he just stick with the 2021 mechanics? Did his big gut cause changes in 2022? We'll never know.

 

What do we think Vladdy is going to look like at 45 when he's several years removed from his playing career and no one is forcing him to work out?

[Stangstag]

What do we think Vladdy is going to look like at 35 when he's several years removed from his playing career and no one is forcing him to work out?

 

Fixed for you

[bones10]

Knuckleballer tonight, lord knows what thats going to do to our bats.

[Daniel Labude]

Knuckleballer tonight, lord knows what thats going to do to our bats.

 

Perfect game

[Jays24]

Knuckleballer tonight, lord knows what thats going to do to our bats.

 

Can it get any worse? Only one way to go with this offense or we just stay mediocre forever lol.