2023 Trade Deadline

[Jonn]

So glad I don’t have to hear about Tommy f***ing Pham anymore

 

I'm not a fan of his antics. But picking up for an unranked prospect would have been lovely.

 

I mean its going to be mentioned if Varsho continues to nose dive and Pham looks good for the Dbacks. Ironically he's probably going to steal playing time from Lourdes.

[Spanky99]

I'm not a fan of his antics. But picking up for an unranked prospect would have been lovely.

 

I mean its going to be mentioned if Varsho continues to nose dive and Pham looks good for the Dbacks. Ironically he's probably going to steal playing time from Lourdes.

 

Who did Pham go for? lol... no wonder he's not on the MLB preseason ranking, he's just turned 17... and a top international signee, dumbass.

 

Jeremy Rodriguez, SS

Age: 17

 

Rodriguez signed with the D-backs for $1.25 million out of the Dominican Republic in January as their top signing in the international class. He didn’t turn 17 until July 4 and has held his own as one of the youngest players in the Dominican Summer League this year, batting .256/.371/.393 with 10 extra-base hits and 12 stolen bases in 36 games. Rodriguez is a projectable 6-foot, 170-pound shortstop with an easy lefthanded swing and advanced strike-zone discipline. He squares up fastballs, recognizes spin and just needs to get stronger with age and maturity. He’s a solid defender at shortstop who has a chance to stick at the position with a plus arm. Rodriguez is many years away and requires a lot of strength gains, but he has a promising foundation as a young middle infielder who projects to hit.

[Jonn]

Who did Pham go for?

 

Jeremy Rodriguez a 17 year old Infield prospect with decent numbers in Rookie Ball this year.

[hanton]

Pham would have been a great pick-up, dbacks got him for Jeremy Rodriguez - don't know much about himn

 

Pipeline lScouting grades: Hit: 50 | Power: 50 | Run: 50 | Arm: 55 | Field: 50 | Overall: 50

[Spanky99]

Jeremy Rodriguez a 17 year old Infield prospect with decent numbers in Rookie Ball this year.

 

Pham would have been a great pick-up, dbacks got him for Jeremy Rodriguez - don't know much about himn

 

Pipeline lScouting grades: Hit: 50 | Power: 50 | Run: 50 | Arm: 55 | Field: 50 | Overall: 50

 

I edit it above...

[Jonn]

Who did Pham go for? lol... no wonder he's not on the MLB preseason ranking, he's just turned 17... and a top international signee, dumbass.

 

Jeremy Rodriguez, SS

Age: 17

 

Rodriguez signed with the D-backs for $1.25 million out of the Dominican Republic in January as their top signing in the international class. He didn’t turn 17 until July 4 and has held his own as one of the youngest players in the Dominican Summer League this year, batting .256/.371/.393 with 10 extra-base hits and 12 stolen bases in 36 games. Rodriguez is a projectable 6-foot, 170-pound shortstop with an easy lefthanded swing and advanced strike-zone discipline. He squares up fastballs, recognizes spin and just needs to get stronger with age and maturity. He’s a solid defender at shortstop who has a chance to stick at the position with a plus arm. Rodriguez is many years away and requires a lot of strength gains, but he has a promising foundation as a young middle infielder who projects to hit.

 

Lottery ticket.

[Laika]

Reds are in first place

 

They did nothing

 

Check out Ben Lively's line tonight

[Spanky99]

Lottery ticket.

 

A real good one.

[WryNGinger]

Post trade deadline feels similar to Post off-season in that the roster still feels like there is a piece missing that might have been working on.

 

I like Cabrera if they continue to focus on his plus pitches. I like DeLong if he stays at ST until Bo is back and then platoons between short and 2nd

I like Hicks if they ease him on to the 5th to 8th inning to get some throws in.

 

The lineup is pretty flawed right now with guys hitting in non-optimal positions.

 

The talent on the roster has been able to succeed independently of others most of the time

Everybody in a vacuum just kind of affecting others results

 

Been an odd year.

[jaysblue]

Yeah I don't think the Jays vastly improved at the deadline but they did add pieces to at least cover the bases and areas that they needed help in. Hicks gives them a potential late inning weapon out of the bullpen with high K upside. DeJong gives them a stopgap until Bo returns and an extra infielder/RHB with some pop. Wonder if DeJong hits well enough with the Jays, he becomes their 2B or 3B option for next season. Cabrera gives them another lefty with great stuff. The lineup could have used another big power bat but was going to be tough.

 

The Jays are going to have to improve significantly from within. Vladdy has to be a monster power bat, Springer needs to hit better, Kirk needs to hit better and for more power, Chapman needs a hot final two months, Varsho needs to stop hitting like crap, and gotta hope one of their SPs like Bassitt, Ryu or Manoah can be a solid No. 3 guy in a Wildcard matchup. A lot of their core pieces have underperformed and you gotta hope they figure things out.

[Spanky99]

Yeah I don't think the Jays vastly improved at the deadline but they did add pieces to at least cover the bases and areas that they needed help in. Hicks gives them a potential late inning weapon out of the bullpen with high K upside. DeJong gives them a stopgap until Bo returns and an extra infielder/RHB with some pop. Wonder if DeJong hits well enough with the Jays, he becomes their 2B or 3B option for next season. Cabrera gives them another lefty with great stuff. The lineup could have used another big power bat but was going to be tough.

 

The Jays are going to have to improve significantly from within. Vladdy has to be a monster power bat, Springer needs to hit better, Kirk needs to hit better and for more power, Chapman needs a hot final two months, Varsho needs to stop hitting like crap, and gotta hope one of their SPs like Bassitt, Ryu or Manoah can be a solid No. 3 guy in a Wildcard matchup. A lot of their core pieces have underperformed and you gotta hope they figure things out.

 

Chappy's been raking this past month, but the other f***ers need to get going, preferably Vladito and Springer.

[John_Havok]

Yeah I don't think the Jays vastly improved at the deadline but they did add pieces to at least cover the bases and areas that they needed help in. Hicks gives them a potential late inning weapon out of the bullpen with high K upside. DeJong gives them a stopgap until Bo returns and an extra infielder/RHB with some pop. Wonder if DeJong hits well enough with the Jays, he becomes their 2B or 3B option for next season. Cabrera gives them another lefty with great stuff. The lineup could have used another big power bat but was going to be tough.

 

The Jays are going to have to improve significantly from within. Vladdy has to be a monster power bat, Springer needs to hit better, Kirk needs to hit better and for more power, Chapman needs a hot final two months, Varsho needs to stop hitting like crap, and gotta hope one of their SPs like Bassitt, Ryu or Manoah can be a solid No. 3 guy in a Wildcard matchup. A lot of their core pieces have underperformed and you gotta hope they figure things out.

 

This. Even had the Jays added a RH power threat for the bench, if the rest of what you said doesn’t happen, especially concerning Vlad and Springer, that bat doesn’t matter

[jaysblue]

This. Even had the Jays added a RH power threat for the bench, if the rest of what you said doesn’t happen, especially concerning Vlad and Springer, that bat doesn’t matter

 

Yeah as much as I would have loved to seen a bat like Teo, at the end of the day he's isn't going to carry this lineup on his shoulders. The Jays need their core pieces to start contributing like Springer Vlad and Kirk. That will make the difference. And if the Jays could get any positive contribution from Varsho with the bat over the final two months, even better!

[Brownie19]

Yeah as much as I would have loved to seen a bat like Teo, at the end of the day he's isn't going to carry this lineup on his shoulders. The Jays need their core pieces to start contributing like Springer Vlad and Kirk. That will make the difference. And if the Jays could get any positive contribution from Varsho with the bat over the final two months, even better!

 

I know what you're saying, but Teo certainly has the ability to put an entire team on his shoulders and carry them for a month. We all saw that multiple times over the past 3-4 years. I'd love to know what the price was to get Teo. There was no guarantee he'd come in here and get hot - but there was a chance - and when he gets hot, he gets really hot. I thought that was a chance worth taking (provided the asking price was reasonable).

[jaysblue]

I know what you're saying, but Teo certainly has the ability to put an entire team on his shoulders and carry them for a month. We all saw that multiple times over the past 3-4 years. I'd love to know what the price was to get Teo. There was no guarantee he'd come in here and get hot - but there was a chance - and when he gets hot, he gets really hot. I thought that was a chance worth taking (provided the asking price was reasonable).

 

Yeah he can get hot for an extended period for sure. But at the end of the day, the Jays need guys like Vlad, Springer, Kirk and Varsho to start becoming productive offensively. Not sure Teo could have saved this team all on his own. The only way this team gets to the next level is if those core players improve.

 

I wonder the price for Teo as well. It would have looked weird trading back Teo to the Jays maybe from the Mariners perspective lol. So far Swanson/Teo has been a wash this season in terms of value. The plus is Swanson is under club control for two more seasons. I would be open to bringing back Teo as a FA in the offseason. He might look to sign a 1-year-contract to build up his value again.

[JFD]

Teo is just more of the same pain. 94 wRC+, -3.3 BsR and leading all of MLB in K's

[JaysAllMighty]

Teo is just more of the same pain. 94 wRC+, -3.3 BsR and leading all of MLB in K's

 

Glad we didn't get him, we need to remain serious and focus.

[Jonn]

Teo is just more of the same pain. 94 wRC+, -3.3 BsR and leading all of MLB in K's

 

He crushes lefties. But sure if you want to watch Espinal ground out on a constant loop. Don’t be bothered.

[leaffie]

IMO this team was put together on the premise that vladdy and Kirk and springer would continue their offence. They certainly improved their defense, which was needed. But the offence they were depending on is non existent.

 

Those three are not turning it around in the next two months, and even if they manage to get close to career norms, this is not a winning team. They might make the playoffs because of the pitching, but like last year, they arent going anywhere.

 

And believe me, it kills me to say this.

[Stangstag]

How does Brad Hand get traded every deadline lol

[Brownie19]

IMO this team was put together on the premise that vladdy and Kirk and springer would continue their offence. They certainly improved their defense, which was needed. But the offence they were depending on is non existent.

 

Those three are not turning it around in the next two months, and even if they manage to get close to career norms, this is not a winning team. They might make the playoffs because of the pitching, but like last year, they arent going anywhere.

 

And believe me, it kills me to say this.

 

1. Of course it was. You expect the GM to build the team expecting all 3 of those players to suck this year?

 

2. Why do you say that? These 3 are all good hitters and can go on extended streaks at the plate at any time. Look at what Bo did last year.

 

3. dfuk? If Vlad's wRC+ is 131, Kirk's is 117 and Springer's is 131 from here on out until the end of the season - this team will be in GREAT shape and I'm not sure how you think this won't be a winning team.

[Laika]

1. Of course it was. You expect the GM to build the team expecting all 3 of those players to suck this year?

 

2. Why do you say that? These 3 are all good hitters and can go on extended streaks at the plate at any time. Look at what Bo did last year.

 

3. dfuk? If Vlad's wRC+ is 131, Kirk's is 117 and Springer's is 131 from here on out until the end of the season - this team will be in GREAT shape and I'm not sure how you think this won't be a winning team.

 

The slumps that these players are in go far beyond bad starts or random variation. In my opinion.

 

Something is f***ing wrong with these guys. Springer is just old. Kirk is going through a young player adjustment (I think he will be fine, eventually).

 

Vlad might just kind of f***ing suck? It's unfortunate but there is a huge career sample now and most of it is problematic.

 

I just disagree with leaffie's one sentence saying "if they manage to get close to career norms, this is not a winning team." of course if Kirk and Springer get close to career norms the team is much better. Vlad's career norm on the other hand is pretty mediocre all things considered.

[JFD]

He crushes lefties. But sure if you want to watch Espinal ground out on a constant loop. Don’t be bothered.

 

If they brought him in to only face lefties, OK

 

Can't f***ing stand Espinal. Everything about him is annoying.

[glory]

Bichette: 3.4 WAR

Vlad, Varsho, Springer, Kirk combined: 3.4 WAR

 

I tend to agree that there is something that needs to be fixed, more so than just waiting for the numbers to normalize. It's getting a little late for the latter.

[Brownie19]

The slumps that these players are in go far beyond bad starts or random variation. In my opinion.

 

Something is f***ing wrong with these guys. Springer is just old. Kirk is going through a young player adjustment (I think he will be fine, eventually).

 

Vlad might just kind of f***ing suck? It's unfortunate but there is a huge career sample now and most of it is problematic.

 

I just disagree with leaffie's one sentence saying "if they manage to get close to career norms, this is not a winning team." of course if Kirk and Springer get close to career norms the team is much better. Vlad's career norm on the other hand is pretty mediocre all things considered.

 

The only major difference you see in his statcast data between 2021 and 2023 is the chase rate. I'm sure it's not that simple, but do you think 'most' of his issue arise from simply chasing too often? I'm not sure if this is something he can 'fix' - although he showed that ability in 2021 it seems.

 

Maybe Guillermo is telling him to chase more pitches off the plate and he's just following orders. Bring in Billy Beane and Jonah Hill to show him that he's better if he walks more and swings less? Surely to god we already have several coaches explaining that to him? Maybe he's just f***ing stupid?

 

That said, if you take out 2021, his best season was an OPS of .818, with the other 3 years <.800 - so maybe he does just suck - no matter how hard he hits it.

[leaffie]

Because all year, the comments on this board are about WHEN these three turn it around, the team will go on a run. Well they havent figured it out yet. I think Springer is injured.

Kirk, for whatever reason has never been right since he arrived late, and Vladdy never seems to learn it is him that has to adjust.

 

Every pitcher in this league has learned to feed him a steady diet,of low and outside and he will swing out of his shoes.

 

 

This team should be able to beat up on the lousy teams, and split with the good ones. How is their record in the AlE.

 

Believe me, I would like nothing better than to see a real run like last year, but I have no confidence it is happening. Arent they something like 26 or 28 in mlb in hitting with Risp.

Even if one if them turns it around, it wont be good enough. How many games have they lost by one run? I can only go by what I see, not projections that might never happen

[Daniel Labude]

The slumps that these players are in go far beyond bad starts or random variation. In my opinion.

 

Something is f***ing wrong with these guys. Springer is just old. Kirk is going through a young player adjustment (I think he will be fine, eventually).

 

Vlad might just kind of f***ing suck? It's unfortunate but there is a huge career sample now and most of it is problematic.

 

I just disagree with leaffie's one sentence saying "if they manage to get close to career norms, this is not a winning team." of course if Kirk and Springer get close to career norms the team is much better. Vlad's career norm on the other hand is pretty mediocre all things considered.

 

[Brownie19]

Because all year, the comments on this board are about WHEN these three turn it around, the team will go on a run. Well they havent figured it out yet. I think Springer is injured.

Kirk, for whatever reason has never been right since he arrived late, and Vladdy never seems to learn it is him that has to adjust.

 

Every pitcher in this league has learned to feed him a steady diet,of low and outside and he will swing out of his shoes.

 

 

This team should be able to beat up on the lousy teams, and split with the good ones. How is their record in the AlE.

 

Believe me, I would like nothing better than to see a real run like last year, but I have no confidence it is happening. Arent they something like 26 or 28 in mlb in hitting with Risp.

Even if one if them turns it around, it wont be good enough. How many games have they lost by one run? I can only go by what I see, not projections that might never happen

 

In one-run games, or games that went into extra innings, the 2023 Toronto Blue Jays are 20-15...so that's not the issue. Let's put that to bed.

 

They have been horrible with RISP, but there are lots of studies that show that's not really a talent and more a representation of luck. For a team that is 7th in the majors in wRC+ to be this bad with RISP is crazy and I suspect 'most' of it is simply bad luck and statistical anomaly. That f***ing sucks balls for the Jays; however, the good news is we may be due for a big correction of luck at the right time. Fingers crossed.

[Omar]

Is Springer washed at 33 years old? I expected his downturn to be when he turned 35. But one hit in his last 43 ab’s and we’re getting into Chris Davis territory.

 

The Jays organization really has to react here. Call in a special assistant (Dante Bichette?) to get these bats going. Don’t know how much blame to place on hitting coaches (do players even listen to them?) but maybe a firing is in order to, if nothing else, wake these guys up.

[Laika]

The only major difference you see in his statcast data between 2021 and 2023 is the chase rate. I'm sure it's not that simple, but do you think 'most' of his issue arise from simply chasing too often? I'm not sure if this is something he can 'fix' - although he showed that ability in 2021 it seems.

 

Maybe Guillermo is telling him to chase more pitches off the plate and he's just following orders. Bring in Billy Beane and Jonah Hill to show him that he's better if he walks more and swings less? Surely to god we already have several coaches explaining that to him? Maybe he's just f***ing stupid?

 

That said, if you take out 2021, his best season was an OPS of .818, with the other 3 years <.800 - so maybe he does just suck - no matter how hard he hits it.

 

I dunno. I know his xwOBA this year is better than last year and his profile looks solid in most ways. Maybe it's bad luck, maybe it's the new home park dimensions.

 

But offense aside he's still hitting bottom of the barrel talent projections when it comes to baserunning and defense. He is probably one of the stupidest baserunners in the game.

 

He's just not a special talent and it seems obvious. The offense may still project well but it's highly subject to BABIP risk because of his swing tendencies.

 

His peers are like... late career JD Martinez, Josh Bell, and Rowdy Tellez.