General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[Terminator]

They will need to fit in with every other City Connect jersey - all of which have been retina burning garbage.

 

They are so bad. Even the ones that are supposedly "good" are only "good" because they are being compared to the rest of the garbage. All of them suck.

[Jays24]

Impatient Jays fan here. Please give me something so I can start dreaming of a 2024 championship and then cry the following offseason for it not happening...

[Terminator]

Remember when Babe Schneider said he couldn't hit high fastballs and then he went and hit 5 of them out of the park in one week? lol

[Spanky__99]

Why not

 

The return at 3rd base would need to be ideal, I guess. Our pitching depth isn't all that great, imo.

[Spanky__99]

 

The playoffs will be easy to make.

 

Hahah... it certainly isn't that simple.

[Spanky__99]

They will make the appropriate tweaks but it's mostly on the players

 

Bingo.

[Spanky__99]

 

My man, 37!!!

[Spanky__99]

The Jays were terrible with RISP in the first half, very good in the 2nd half, variance folks, statistical noise. Too many guys had down years, I expect some regression from most of those guys, it isn't at all as bad as some are describing, we need more pop, though. That was glaring. Edited December 19, 2023 by Spanky99

[Spanky__99]

Chapman is better than JRam, Devers and Reilly..?? Dude, share what you are smoking....That is some potent stuff!

 

Reilly??? Last season 3rd baseman leaders, mind you I don't want Chappy at north of 100M...

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?lg=all&qual=y&season=2023&season1=2023&ind=0&type=8&month=39

 

Last 3 years...

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?lg=all&qual=y&ind=0&type=8&month=39&startdate=&enddate=&season1=2020&season=2023

[Terminator]

Hahah... it certainly isn't that simple.

 

Did you see the updated one where I added Cavan Biggio? We basically double their total value in that one.

[Spanky__99]

Did you see the updated one where I added Cavan Biggio? We basically double their total value in that one.

 

Throw in Alek and it might work...

[BTS]

Throw in Alek and it might work...

 

If you average 122 posts per day for the rest of December you can hit 100,000 posts before New Years!

[Brownie19]

If you average 122 posts per day for the rest of December you can hit 100,000 posts before New Years!

 

At this point, I'm not sure who's going to reach that mark first. Spanky or Soupy. Soupy may be 94,011 behind, but he's closing fast.

[saskjayfan]

Did you see the updated one where I added Cavan Biggio? We basically double their total value in that one.

 

A realistic one they might entertain is Manoah, Varsho and lower level prospect. We'd have to sign Bellinger or KK to play centre if that happened.

[BTS]

At this point, I'm not sure who's going to reach that mark first. Spanky or Soupy. Soupy may be 94,011 behind, but he's closing fast.

 

So many posts. 95% of them about washed up bench players.

[connorp]

So many posts. 95% of them about washed up bench players.

 

If he runs out of names to throw out there by 2025, we could provide him a list of all of Spanky’s rosters and he’d be back in business.

[Brownie19]

So many posts. 95% of them about washed up bench players.

 

I'm convinced he's actually Isiah Kiner-Falefa. Kiner-Falefa's parents don't even like him as much as Soupy does.

[BTS]

If he runs out of names to throw out there by 2025, we could provide him a list of all of Spanky’s rosters and he’d be back in business.

 

wow!

[Frenchsoup]

Hearing some Jorge Polanco Max Kepler talk, me likey

[Krylian]

Not really sure they're looking for value contracts. They were in on Ohtani. They're in on Yamamoto and Bellinger.

 

They're always in on everyone.... Up to a point. They won't do what it takes to close. Or if you think they are absolutely willing to close then the only other option is, the truly elite have no interest in signing in Toronto and just want to use them as leverage. That's worse.

[Krylian]

AA/Beeston would only do value contracts. (Closest they came to "overpaying" was Russell Martin and he was worth every penny.)

 

The current front office has repeatedly shown a willingness to spend with the best of them for the right free agent. Sometimes the players agree to take the Jays money (Ryu, Springer, Gausman) and sometimes they don't (Ohtani, and surely some others we doon't even know about)

 

Beeston was here when they were the highest spending team in baseball too. Good old Labbatts.

[JaysAllMighty]

[Brownie19]

Beeston was here when they were the highest spending team in baseball too. Good old Labbatts.

 

I suspect he's referring to Beeston's rule where he wouldn't hand out any deal longer than 5 years. That completely eliminated a TON of potential FA signings and likely held the team back for years.

[Krylian]

I suspect he's referring to Beeston's rule where he wouldn't hand out any deal longer than 5 years. That completely eliminated a TON of potential FA signings and likely held the team back for years.

 

I agree. I was not a fan of that limitation. That worked back in the day when it was rare to see contacts greater than 5 years... But they needed to adapt to the market when it started evolving to longer deals.

[metafour]

They're always in on everyone.... Up to a point. They won't do what it takes to close. Or if you think they are absolutely willing to close then the only other option is, the truly elite have no interest in signing in Toronto and just want to use them as leverage. That's worse.

 

They won't do what it takes to close, except for when they have:

 

2020: Hyun-Jin Ryu (7th highest total contract in free agent class @ $80 mill)

2021: George Springer (1st highest total contract in free agent class @ $150 mill)

2022: Kevin Gausman (9th highest total contract in free agent class @ $110 mill)

 

I mean, I guess it depends on what your baseline expectation is here. Are they supposed to hand out the highest contract every single year for you to be satisfied? Are the mighty Blue Jays the only MLB team in the league vying for free agents?

 

Toronto sports fans are insufferable. When this regime was brought in, the immediate fan conspiracy theory was that Rogers was bringing in penny-pinchers from the Indians so that they could go cheap and squeeze the payroll. When that turned out to be false (#9 total team payroll in the league last season, which has been increasing every single year over the past ~3 seasons), the barometer has now shifted to the "problem" being that they're now going for too many free agents, but they aren't signing them all! A nice shift from: "oh no we're going to be the Oakland A's" to "I can't believe we let the lowly Dodgers outbid us for Ohtani".

 

In reality, you just described 97% of the teams in the league: "they're in on everyone, up to a point". Another term for that would be: being smart. The counter example is what, the New York Mets lol? Are we back to concluding that free agency spending sprees are the correct way to build a winner or something? I guess I missed that study.

[Rusty_Savage]

Hearing some Jorge Polanco Max Kepler talk, me likey

Where did you hear that?

 

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[justafan]

Why is there no talk about KK?

[John_Havok]

They won't do what it takes to close, except for when they have:

 

2020: Hyun-Jin Ryu (7th highest total contract in free agent class @ $80 mill)

2021: George Springer (1st highest total contract in free agent class @ $150 mill)

2022: Kevin Gausman (9th highest total contract in free agent class @ $110 mill)

 

I mean, I guess it depends on what your baseline expectation is here. Are they supposed to hand out the highest contract every single year for you to be satisfied? Are the mighty Blue Jays the only MLB team in the league vying for free agents?

 

Toronto sports fans are insufferable. When this regime was brought in, the immediate fan conspiracy theory was that Rogers was bringing in penny-pinchers from the Indians so that they could go cheap and squeeze the payroll. When that turned out to be false (#9 total team payroll in the league last season, which has been increasing every single year over the past ~3 seasons), the barometer has now shifted to the "problem" being that they're now going for too many free agents, but they aren't signing them all! A nice shift from: "oh no we're going to be the Oakland A's" to "I can't believe we let the lowly Dodgers outbid us for Ohtani".

 

In reality, you just described 97% of the teams in the league: "they're in on everyone, up to a point". Another term for that would be: being smart. The counter example is what, the New York Mets lol? Are we back to concluding that free agency spending sprees are the correct way to build a winner or something? I guess I missed that study.

 

Yeah, looking at most fans comments online you'd think Gurriel Jr re-signing in Arizona was worse than the Jays missing out on Ohtani.

[BTS]

Why is there no talk about KK?

 

It would actually be really good to have him back. The team currently only has two outfielders that should be on the opening day roster.

[wilko]

It would actually be really good to have him back. The team currently only has two outfielders that should be on the opening day roster.

 

I wouldn't mind KK coming back, but I'd rather them get a LF with some pop. Put Varsho in CF where they can maximize his talent.