General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[John_Havok]

Wow I didn't realize we had any diehard Lantigua fans on the board.

 

I doubt there was more than 5 posters here who even knew there was a guy named Lantigua in the system, let alone which level he was at or his stats.

 

I figured they might have added him to the 40 man via before the rule 5 draft but I guess not.

[hanton]

Did you actually watch that clip? It's a rather misleading headline. Mattingly said if you focus on elevating the ball in batting practice against 60 mph you get into bad habits with your swing lengthening and then when you get to an actual game and face 95 up in the zone you have no chance. He also said you don't want to just pepper the ball all over the infield and give up your at bat. There's a balance between contact and aggression. He said there's room for a guy who strikes out a lot and hits 40 with some walks, but loading up with too many of those guys isn't ideal either. His answers seem pretty balanced and seems to acknowledge there are different types of hitters in the game.

 

Cool, glad you enjoyed it,

 

here's the Fangraphs piece https://blogs.fangraphs.com/don-mattingly-talks-hitting/ and the article from O'Leary https://clients.chrisoleary.com/hitting/model-swings/don-mattingly

[hanton]

Can't expect people to do much more than read the headline these days.

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/don-mattingly-talks-hitting/

 

[edit] fixed link

Edited November 9, 2023 by hanton

[Sorrow]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/contact/

 

Mattingly: “I definitely made adjustments. The biggest was probably getting physically stronger — that was the start of it — [because] I didn’t really hit for true home run power. I didn’t have home run power through the minor leagues.

 

“More than anything, Lou Piniella had a huge impact on me going from a guy that was hitting doubles to a guy that was hitting doubles and homers. It was really nothing more than basically learning how to backspin the ball. I’d been more of a top-hand guy that hit a lot of topspin balls in the gap; I thought I hit them really well, they just didn’t go out. I’d always be kind of surprised, because I felt like I crushed it. Then I learned to use the bottom hand, and shorten my route, which unleashed more power.”

 

 

This sounds a lot like Vladdy.

[BatFlip]

If the Jays can get Suarez for a reasonable price, then that wouldn't be a bad scenario. Has 1+1 left on his deal, so it's either going to be 1/13 or 2/26, and both are reasonable for the type of player he is. Much better than overpaying for Chapman or Candy on long term deals.

 

I concur. I wonder what the cost would be.

[BatFlip]

I doubt there was more than 5 posters here who even knew there was a guy named Lantigua in the system, let alone which level he was at or his stats.

 

I figured they might have added him to the 40 man via before the rule 5 draft but I guess not.

 

Yeah man, I thought Lantigua was an island in the Caribbean.

[MikeM3]

There's so much pitching out there. Guys like Mahle and Severino are getting no buzz. Both obvious homerun signings

[Jimcanuck]

There's so much pitching out there. Guys like Mahle and Severino are getting no buzz. Both obvious homerun signings

 

And how much interest do their former teams, that know their health status, have in resigning them?

 

Mahle would be nice although I wouldn't expect anything but back of the rotation quality pitching

[Laika]

Mahle's TJS was in May, right? He would be like one month ahead of the 2023 Ryu timeline. So in 2024 the signing team wouldn't get much, especially if he has any rehab delays.

 

Severino's 2023 was one of the more puzzling SP seasons. The Yankees rotation was absolutely f***ing hilarious between him, Montas, and Rodon. Cortes also kind of funny with ERA regression.

[Carlos Danger]

Jays should look into acquiring Morel in trade as a super utility 2b option. Cut bait on Biggio and Espinal or get what you can for them as part of a trade.

[Jimcanuck]

Damiano Palmegiani, 3B, Blue Jays: The Blue Jays have unearthed strong offensive talents from later in the draft in recent years, including both Davis Schneider and Spencer Horwitz, who were taken in the 24th round or later. Palmegiani is the next in that line of underrated players with upside at the plate. The Canadian national (via Venezuela) connected for his fifth home run of the Fall League on Wednesday. Palmegiani has hit .263/.371/.553 over 21 games with 11 extra base hits. He is limited defensively, but has a combination of good approach, average bat-to-ball skills and power.

 

AFL numbers

[MikeM3]

The Yankees do weird things with pitchers. Both Gray and Montgomery have gone on record saying their coaches were telling them to do s*** they didn't want to and as soon as they left, they benefitted.

 

Severino was basically the same pitcher as he was when he was an ace. I think his slider velo needs to get back up. His projected contract is like 20% of what Giolito is projected for. It's like less than Chad Green money for a SP that can win you playoff games. I don't understand the difference besides health. But Giolito was healthy and sucked s*** and his velo is way down from his peak.

 

Its discrepancies like this in the market right now that I think we can take advantage of

[Laika]

Jays should look into acquiring Morel in trade as a super utility 2b option. Cut bait on Biggio and Espinal or get what you can for them as part of a trade.

 

100%

 

the Cubs don't appreciate him

[Orgfiller]

Jays should look into acquiring Morel in trade as a super utility 2b option. Cut bait on Biggio and Espinal or get what you can for them as part of a trade.

 

100%

 

the Cubs don't appreciate him

 

His defense is hilariously bad. He must be Teoscar like in that he's a physical specimen and very athletic (plus sprint speed and plus plus baserunning) but has negative defensive IQ. Might be a modern day Michael Young, where he's utility in the loosest sense of the word, bad at every position. Maybe you hope some coaching can make him passable.

[Brownie19]

The Yankees do weird things with pitchers. Both Gray and Montgomery have gone on record saying their coaches were telling them to do s*** they didn't want to and as soon as they left, they benefitted.

 

Severino was basically the same pitcher as he was when he was an ace. I think his slider velo needs to get back up. His projected contract is like 20% of what Giolito is projected for. It's like less than Chad Green money for a SP that can win you playoff games. I don't understand the difference besides health. But Giolito was healthy and sucked s*** and his velo is way down from his peak.

 

Its discrepancies like this in the market right now that I think we can take advantage of

 

Can't disagree with this. But I think he's so cheap because there's a high probability the injuries have affected his abilities. The guy has thrown 209 innings since the end of the 2018 season. Just such a high probability you get absolutely nothing out of him. That said, still an interesting risk/reward signing. The lower the price you pay, the lower the risk too.

[Laika]

His defense is hilariously bad. He must be Teoscar like in that he's a physical specimen and very athletic (plus sprint speed and plus plus baserunning) but has negative defensive IQ. Might be a modern day Michael Young, where he's utility in the loosest sense of the word, bad at every position. Maybe you hope some coaching can make him passable.

 

I had no idea. Thought he was okay since he has played some SS and CF up in MLB.

 

I guess the sample sizes across the board are too small to conclude anything but he probably scouts horribly?

[Carlos Danger]

His defense is hilariously bad. He must be Teoscar like in that he's a physical specimen and very athletic (plus sprint speed and plus plus baserunning) but has negative defensive IQ. Might be a modern day Michael Young, where he's utility in the loosest sense of the word, bad at every position. Maybe you hope some coaching can make him passable.

 

He has good hands and a rocket arm. I think part of the issue is he played so many positions. I think he played so many apart from catcher that he never had a chance to really work on one. Plus the Cubs didn’t have places for him to play on D and he had to sit out for stretches. He played 3b in the minors and I would prefer Morel at 3b or 2b over others I have heard bandied about. Morel appears coachable and I believe has the tools to improve.

 

It had beeb circulating that the Cubs were going to make him available. However, today (after I posted) there is a news article saying the Cubs plan to make him their everyday 1b..??

[Laika]

MLBTR says Blue Jays have shown interest in Dylan Carlson

Mentions Manoah as a possible trade fit

 

Manoah has an extra year of control and more "demonstrated upside" but he is coming off the more disastrous 2023.

 

I think STL would need to add something...

[Terminator]

MLBTR says Blue Jays have shown interest in Dylan Carlson

Mentions Manoah as a possible trade fit

 

Manoah has an extra year of control and more "demonstrated upside" but he is coming off the more disastrous 2023.

 

I think STL would need to add something...

 

Hmmm...it's close to even but that extra year for Manoah matters.

 

I looked at Carlson's splits and even though he's a switch hitter he is much much better against LHP in his career so he can be treated as a right handed bat.

 

I have no clue what to make of either of these players though. Tough call.

[Laika]

Hmmm...it's close to even but that extra year for Manoah matters.

 

I looked at Carlson's splits and even though he's a switch hitter he is much much better against LHP in his career so he can be treated as a right handed bat.

 

I have no clue what to make of either of these players though. Tough call.

 

In general I like the idea of trading SP for bats and then signing FA arms.

 

Could really trade anybody depending on the return. Kikuchi may have some value now, Tiedemann a lot of value, Gausman a lot of value, Manoah who knows but some team probably thinks they can fix her.

[Terminator]

In general I like the idea of trading SP for bats and then signing FA arms.

 

Could really trade anybody depending on the return. Kikuchi may have some value now, Tiedemann a lot of value, Gausman a lot of value, Manoah who knows but some team probably thinks they can fix her.

 

Yeah in this FA market there are plenty of arms but very few bats so that makes sense.

[MikeM3]

Manoah for Carlson + and then sign FA SPs is a potential boon for us.

 

I'm kind of into Carlson and Donovan or Edman but I think that takes more than Manoah.

[Brownie19]

MLBTR says Blue Jays have shown interest in Dylan Carlson

Mentions Manoah as a possible trade fit

 

Manoah has an extra year of control and more "demonstrated upside" but he is coming off the more disastrous 2023.

 

I think STL would need to add something...

 

Interesting. Carlson would seem like another Varsho situation, where we'd have to play him in LF, which may not maximize his value. He also hasn't developed like the Cards expected. What other piece do you think would make the deal fly?

[deanmike]

Manoah for Carlson + and then sign FA SPs is a potential boon for us.

 

I'm kind of into Carlson and Donovan or Edman but I think that takes more than Manoah.

 

Manoah (14.4 surplus value on BTV) for Carlson+Edman (19.2 combined) would probably work as a straight up deal. Atkins almost always gains between 5-10 BTV surplus value on the trades he makes (at the time they are made).

 

Manoah for Carlson+Donovan (32.7 combined) would probably require the Jays to add one of Nimmala/Barger/Leo Jimenez (all valued at 8.9 surplus each) to make it more realistic.

[connorp]

I feel like Carlson sucks unless he goes to NYY…he would then somehow be good

[Laika]

Interesting. Carlson would seem like another Varsho situation, where we'd have to play him in LF, which may not maximize his value. He also hasn't developed like the Cards expected. What other piece do you think would make the deal fly?

 

I just see Carlson as more of a boring LF than anything.

 

Would not expect the moon. Would just hope for 15 HR with a decent all around game. 3 WAR if it clicks. 1.5 WAR if it doesn't.

[Laika]

As far as the gap... I dunno. Some prospect. Cooper Hjerpe or Sem Robberse or something.

[Brownie19]

As far as the gap... I dunno. Some prospect. Cooper Hjerpe or Sem Robberse or something.

 

Could you get Matthew Liberatore + Carlson? That would really help with our SP'ing depth. Still so hard to wrap your head around the reality that this is what Manoah is now worth...

[Terminator]

Manoah for Carlson + and then sign FA SPs is a potential boon for us.

 

I'm kind of into Carlson and Donovan or Edman but I think that takes more than Manoah.

 

Yeah getting one of those two thrown in would be pretty cool. Could be the primary 3B and cover the other infield spots.

[Spanky99]

I've owned Carlson and O'Neill in LOD, those dudes are always hurt, not a fan. Very frustrating to say the least. Donavan or Edman would be ideal to that. Edited November 9, 2023 by Spanky99