Around Baseball 2023

[Jimcanuck]

I agree with Jim in that the MLB didn’t do its due diligence and really jumped the gun on the suspension. Makes them look very incompetent and malicious.

 

The suspension was after a 9 month investigation.

 

Same reason Franco has not been suspended yet, the investigation is ongoing.

[Jimcanuck]

I hope Jim is taking notes during this lesson he’s receiving

 

No lesson, you are dumn

[glory]

Must be working trades because there just aren't many good hitting free agents available

 

I'd love to see JD Martinez for DH and a trade for a heavy hitting COF or 3B

 

Unless IKF is the starting 3B (god I hope not), then I think they will trade for a 3B option. There simply isn't anything on the free agent market besides Chapman who would be a costly (and likely bad) long term investment. Turning Manoah into a 3B with some control is probably the plan. Whether that is possible is another story. If the Cardinals are still on the market for SP, then Manoah+ for someone like Brendan Donovan would be a great move for the Jays, but don't know if the Cards still want pitching after all their signings or whether they'd even want to move Donovan for Manoah. I'm drawing a blank as far as who they can trade for. I doubt they'd want Machado's contract even if the Padres ate a bunch of it.

 

The one spot where they can use free agency is clearly DH, as there are a bunch of options there (JDM, Hoskins, Soler, Turner, etc). It's the infield where it gets tricky.

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[MikeM3]

Would have done that

[Laika]

He might suck

 

Bad last year, not good the year prior. Velo down.

[connorp]

 

Check your PMs mate. I have a good treat for you guys

[L54]

No lesson, you are dumn

 

You haven’t been on the right side of any of these legal deals but okay

[G-Snarls]

I kinda can't wait to face Giolito at Fenway

[Jimcanuck]

 

Translation:

 

Wander Franco will appear before the Public Ministry in Puerto Plata next Tuesday, January 2. @Olgadinall in the morning hours.

[Brownie19]

Would have done that

 

$19M+ annually for 2 years for Giolito? Barf

[Terminator]

$19M+ annually for 2 years for Giolito? Barf

 

Yeah the two years is nice but they definitely paid a premium for the short term.

[G-Snarls]

Yeah the two years is nice but they definitely paid a premium for the short term.

 

And they'll still be 4th or 5th in this division and probably 5th

[Angrioter]

Hey man - where is Wander?

Trató corregir su error sobornado a las chichas y falló.

 

Esta semana despidió a toda su barra de abogados

[Spanky__99]

$19M+ annually for 2 years for Giolito? Barf

 

Yeah, that's a ballsy move, if he doesn't opt out that means he sucked, lol.

[G-Snarls]

Trató corregir su error sobornado a las chichas y falló.

 

Esta semana despidió a toda su barra de abogados

 

"He tried to correct his mistake by bribing the chichas and failed.

 

This week he fired his entire law team."

[MikeM3]

$19M+ annually for 2 years for Giolito? Barf

 

We're giving that to IKF and Chad Green.

[Pendleton]

[jaysblue]

Giolito did post a 4.1 WAR season in 2021, 2.0 WAR season in 2020, and a 5.2 WAR season in 2019. Had K/9 rates of 10.13, 12.07 and 11.62 during those three seasons.

 

At first glance when I saw the deal, yuck. But Red Sox paying an extra couple of dollars for the upside. He's still only 29 and they've done a good job in the past with broken down pitchers and helping turn their career back around e.g. Nathan Eovaldi. Obviously if he has a solid year, he opts out. If he sucks again, stuck having him around a second year. Gotta hope he can produce close to a 2 WAR season worst case.

[Terminator]

Ben Clemens thought Giolito would get 4 for 60 and the fans crowdsourced 2 for 30. So the Red Sox didn't do too bad I suppose.

[Pendleton]

[MikeM3]

Where are you getting a 5 war ceiling without committing long term in this free agency right now? We need to hit on some high variance if we want to win something.

 

Are we all in or not. You're not getting there with 2 or 3 IKFs

[Laika]

He's a different pitcher

 

Mediocre to bad for two full seasons. Greinke was a 5 war pitcher as recently as Giolito.

 

Anyone excited by Giolito's upside should be ecstatic with Alek Manoah as a no expectations #5 SP

[connorp]

I think it’s been clear that the punishment in the NBa or NFL eventually would be much less for someone like Wander, but I think it helps him right now more being a MLB, as it seemingly makes it less of a national story for a 22yo generational guy on the cusp of greatness

[Laika]

I mean the contract is fine, whatever, but it's $40M guaranteed to a 2023 1 win player

[MikeM3]

I mean the contract is fine, whatever, but it's $40M guaranteed to a 2023 1 win player

 

But you could also say we just gave $36m to a 2023 0.2 win player (IKF) and a 2023 0.3 win player (Green), right?

 

Just they have no path *at all* to a 5 win ceiling whereas Giolito needs a tick of velo back and maybe some slider tweak.

[Laika]

But you could also say we just gave $36m to a 2023 0.2 win player (IKF) and a 2023 0.3 win player (Green), right?

 

Just they have no path *at all* to a 5 win ceiling whereas Giolito needs a tick of velo back and maybe some slider tweak.

 

Chadley Green and Isaac Falaffle combined for 6 bWAR in 2021

 

the bet for the Red Sox is:

 

a) it works out and they get a good SP for 2024 for $19.5M

it does not work out and they pay a s***** SP $39M over two years

 

the downside is about as significant as the upside

 

 

comparing to IKF and Green deals is weird and makes no sense. lesser players making half the money or less; less variance on the contracts.

 

I think IKF has a realistic chance to out-WAR Giolito in 2024, though. Will be hilarious when/if it happens.

[MikeM3]

Chadley Green and Isaac Falaffle combined for 6 bWAR in 2021

 

the bet for the Red Sox is:

 

a) it works out and they get a good SP for 2024 for $19.5M

it does not work out and they pay a s***** SP $39M over two years

 

the downside is about as significant as the upside

 

 

comparing to IKF and Green deals is weird and makes no sense. lesser players making half the money or less; less variance on the contracts.

 

I think IKF has a realistic chance to out-WAR Giolito in 2024, though. Will be hilarious when/if it happens.

 

I don't think we want less variance that's all. We need to push our ceiling UP.

[Brownie19]

Where are you getting a 5 war ceiling without committing long term in this free agency right now? We need to hit on some high variance if we want to win something.

 

Are we all in or not. You're not getting there with 2 or 3 IKFs

 

5 WAR upside?? You think Belly has 7.8 WAR upside too?? Based on this logic, we might as well sign Syndergaard - he has big time upside too. And please stop quoting Green's WAR from last year like that matters. The guy has consistently been a 1.5+ WAR reliver. He might out WAR Giolito on his own in 1/2 the innings.

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Montas 1-year deal with the Reds