Around Baseball 2023

[connorp]

Lol whatttttt the f***

 

Take it with a grain of salt. BTS follows “The Atlantic” of SD Beat writing, as he’s pleased with any negative news.

[L54]

Padres beat reporter wrote the other day about how SD is seriously considering moving Bogaerts to 1B. Not really surprised that Melvin is fed up with Preller's ********.

 

What a disaster. Pretty sure lots of posters saw this coming a few years ago. Not saying I was one of them but this is exhibit A of how to not run an org

 

Mackenzie Gore James Wood, Susana and CJ Abrams for the pleasure of rostering Soto

[Spanky__99]

What a disaster. Pretty sure lots of posters saw this coming a few years ago. Not saying I was one of them but this is exhibit A of how to not run an org

 

Mackenzie Gore James Wood, Susana and CJ Abrams for the pleasure of rostering Soto

 

lol

[connorp]

Xander Bogaerts $25,000,000 2026- 25,500,000

Joe Musgrove $20,000,000. 2026- 20,000,000

Manny Machado $17,090,909 2026- 25,000,000

Yu Darvish S16,000,000

Fernando Tatis Jr. $11,714,285. 2026- 20,000,000

Robert Suarez $10,000,000

Seth Lugo $7,500,000

Jake Cronenworth $7,285,714

Ha-seong Kim $7,000,000

Matt Carpenter $5,500,000

 

Next year payroll and some of their big contracts in 2026. There’s nothing ugly there. I’m not a fan of their GM because of things like Hosmer and Cronenworth contracts that looked s***** right away

 

Trading for Soto was worth it. They could still flip him if they wanted to but doubt they will, until deadline if they’re not in playoffs.

 

They stopped trading away prospects in 2023 for the next 3-4 years, they have a playoff WC type team at least and they’re free to “rebuild”.. why does rebuilding need to be the 76ers famous tank job. In baseball I doubt the difference in #8 and #18 draft slot is that much different.

 

The owner took a middling market that could’ve easily been a Colorado or Detroit type franchise, and he doubled the teams revenue and made them a name in baseball.

 

It’s a good story for baseball, but again, I’m not saying I’m a fan of the GM. Though all have their good and bad deals

[BTS]

Xander Bogaerts $25,000,000 2026- 25,500,000

Joe Musgrove $20,000,000. 2026- 20,000,000

Manny Machado $17,090,909 2026- 25,000,000

Yu Darvish S16,000,000

Fernando Tatis Jr. $11,714,285. 2026- 20,000,000

Robert Suarez $10,000,000

Seth Lugo $7,500,000

Jake Cronenworth $7,285,714

Ha-seong Kim $7,000,000

Matt Carpenter $5,500,000

 

Next year payroll and some of their big contracts in 2026. There’s nothing ugly there. I’m not a fan of their GM because of things like Hosmer and Cronenworth contracts that looked s***** right away

 

Trading for Soto was worth it. They could still flip him if they wanted to but doubt they will, until deadline if they’re not in playoffs.

 

They stopped trading away prospects in 2023 for the next 3-4 years, they have a playoff WC type team at least and they’re free to “rebuild”.. why does rebuilding need to be the 76ers famous tank job. In baseball I doubt the difference in #8 and #18 draft slot is that much different.

 

The owner took a middling market that could’ve easily been a Colorado or Detroit type franchise, and he doubled the teams revenue and made them a name in baseball.

 

It’s a good story for baseball, but again, I’m not saying I’m a fan of the GM. Though all have their good and bad deals

 

Ownership should have asked basically anyone but Preller to spend their money. It probably would have led to a playoff berth in 2023, they might not be slashing payroll by 25% in 2024 and looking at a non-playoff season. A lot of mistakes that were questioned the moment the ink dried on the deals:

 

- Bogaerts for 11 years when they already had Machado at 3B, Kim at SS, and Cronenworth at 2B.

- Why was Jake Cronenworth given an 80M extension a full 3 years before he was going to hit free agency?

- Signing a 36-year old Darvish to a 6-year extension before the 2023 season, when he was signed through 2023 already.

 

Next year they'll have Machado, Bogaerts, Cronenworth, Musgrove, and Darvish all in their 30s and at the start of long-term contracts, but won't even be trying to win, assuming the 200M payroll rumour is true. What's the plan?

[Laika]

Preller's string of bad trades is legendary.

 

2014 - Trea Turner for Wil Myers. They also dealt Jake Bauers, Joe Ross, Rene Rivera, and Burch Smith in this deal lol.

2014 - Yasmani Grandal and Zach Eflin for Matt Kemp

2015 - Jedd Gyorko for Jon Jay

2015 - Max Fried for 1 year of J Upton

2018 - Hosmer deal

2020 - Naylor, Quantrill, Gabriel Arias, Owen Miller, Joey Cantillo for Mike Clevinger+

2020 - Taylor Trammell, Ty France, Andrés Muñoz, and Luis Torrens for Austin Nola, Dan Altavilla, and Austin Adams.

2021 - Jack Suwinkski, Tucupita Marcano for 4 months of Adam Frazier

2022 - Soto deal.

2022 - Brent Rooker for.... Cam Gallagher? To be fair, KCR waived Rooker later on.

 

I am probably even missing a few stinkers.

Yeah he's made the odd good trade too, but come oooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. This guy a f***ing idiot. He has burned so much value on trades that I am shocked he still has a job. This doesn't even mention any signing other than Hosmer.

 

The Padres are competitive in spite of him, not thanks to him. His best contribution has been convincing ownership to raise payroll. You have to give him credit for that, at least.

But most morons with a $256,000,000 payroll in a salary cap sport could be a bit competitive. The Padres missed the playoffs with the 3rd highest payroll.

[BTS]

Today I learned Max Fried was a Padre

[connorp]

Well, I’m separating what the Padres have done as a franchise and defending the big deals. Not so much the GM

[connorp]

They doubled the teams revenue over a short period. That pretty spectacular in any business. You can’t just look at they missed the playoffs by a couple games

 

I don’t know what that did for the franchise value but I’m sure it means hundreds and hundreds of millions

[Laika]

They doubled the teams revenue over a short period. That pretty spectacular in any business. You can’t just look at they missed the playoffs by a couple games

 

I don’t know what that did for the franchise value but I’m sure it means hundreds and hundreds of millions

 

I just think Ownership deserves the credit for raising payroll

 

Any GM could have made some big signing and trades and driven excitement. And MANY GMs would have done it better.

[connorp]

I just think Ownership deserves the credit for raising payroll

 

Any GM could have made some big signing and trades and driven excitement. And MANY GMs would have done it better.

 

Yeah, basically I’m just admiring what the owner has done. It’s good for baseball and I think he profited from all these big wave moves.

 

It does seem the efficiency hasn’t been great

[BTS]

They doubled the teams revenue over a short period. That pretty spectacular in any business. You can’t just look at they missed the playoffs by a couple games

 

I wonder how much of that they give back next year if payroll is slashed to 200M. Their payroll in 2024 is at 200M if they run back their current roster, pick up Wacha's option, and don't acquire anyone to replace Snell, Hader, Sanchez, or Lugo.

 

Preller screwed them by failing with the massive payroll, now it seems they're going to take their foot off the gas and will probably lose fan support while doing it. Should have just fired him and maintained payroll.

[deanmike]

They doubled the teams revenue over a short period. That pretty spectacular in any business. You can’t just look at they missed the playoffs by a couple games

 

I don’t know what that did for the franchise value but I’m sure it means hundreds and hundreds of millions

 

Cmon connorp, you must know very well at this point that these types of arguments only work on here when used to defend Shatkins, and no one else.

[BTS]

Cmon connorp, you must know very well at this point that these types of arguments only work on here when used to defend Shatkins, and no one else.

 

I'm probably going to ban you if you keep posting the same garbage over and over again.

[connorp]

I wonder how much of that they give back next year if payroll is slashed to 200M. Their payroll in 2024 is at 200M if they run back their current roster, pick up Wacha's option, and don't acquire anyone to replace Snell, Hader, Sanchez, or Lugo.

 

Preller screwed them by failing with the massive payroll, now it seems they're going to take their foot off the gas and will probably lose fan support while doing it. Should have just fired him and maintained payroll.

 

There’s no FA to sign. Makes sense to wait a year, maybe get under tax penalty. Don’t forget they were all over Judge. 2026 payroll isn’t bad, as I showed. Why should they have no Bogey, no Machado, no Soto.. and be a terrible team, so they can rebuild. To get a higher draft slot and maybe be good in 5 years? Instead they doubled revenue and added who knows how many hundreds or millions to their value.

[BTS]

There’s no FA to sign. Makes sense to wait a year, maybe get under tax penalty. Don’t forget they were all over Judge. 2026 payroll isn’t bad, as I showed. Why should they have no Bogey, no Machado, no Soto.. and be a terrible team, so they can rebuild. To get a higher draft slot and maybe be good in 5 years? Instead they doubled revenue and added who knows how many hundreds or millions to their value.

 

Well, there's no problem with those contracts if payroll accommodates them by spending enough to round out the roster. They're running into an issue in 2024, where it looks like payroll won't be high enough to field a contending team around their stars. And it's a weird time to pull back, with so many 30+ year olds at the start of long-term deals. I expected payroll to stay high for a contention window from 2023 to like 2025 or 2026, then pull back when Machado/Bogaerts/Darvish/Musgrove were all dead money.

[connorp]

Well, there's no problem with those contracts if payroll accommodates them by spending enough to round out the roster. They're running into an issue in 2024, where it looks like payroll won't be high enough to field a contending team around their stars. And it's a weird time to pull back, with so many 30+ year olds at the start of long-term deals. I expected payroll to stay high for a contention window from 2023 to like 2025 or 2026, then pull back when Machado/Bogaerts/Darvish/Musgrove were all dead money.

 

Much like the Bluejays, except with better chances, they’ll need to depend on their offensive core of Kim, Bogey, Tatis, Soto, and Machado to perform. Tatis is Vladdy and Soto and Bogey just needed to be a little more consistent over the course of the season

 

I still think they add a SP. I’d almost bet on it. We’ll see.

 

In any event, it’s a competitive team.

[ilovejohnschneider]

I'm probably going to ban you if you keep posting the same garbage over and over again.

 

i have always wondered why negativity is even allowed on this board. it's not like free speech is required on message boards, frankly u should just ban anyone who doesn't speak the highest of praises for our top of the industry management team led by shapiro, atkins and schneider. and ban anyone speaks negatively of our superstar galacticos like king vladito, captain kirk and monster manoah. we must support our blue jays always, even through disappointment !!

[wilko]

i have always wondered why negativity is even allowed on this board. it's not like free speech is required on message boards, frankly u should just ban anyone who doesn't speak the highest of praises for our top of the industry management team led by shapiro, atkins and schneider. and ban anyone speaks negatively of our superstar galacticos like king vladito, captain kirk and monster manoah. we must support our blue jays always, even through disappointment !!

 

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[John_Havok]

Red Sox finally hired their new president of Baseball Ops.

 

Former pitcher Craig Breslow. He was with the Cubs org for the last little while and was apparently a rising star in the operations department

[Carlos Danger]

Red Sox finally hired their new president of Baseball Ops.

 

Former pitcher Craig Breslow. He was with the Cubs org for the last little while and was apparently a rising star in the operations department

 

Another Skull and Bones guy.

 

Not important he was a pitcher. Most important is he is Ivy league.

[hanton]

Excellent stuff here from the dbacks pitching coach.

 

[Carlos Danger]

The Dodgers like young hot stews on their charters.. No old *fulgies.. Now UA is getting sued by the *FAs denied working the Dodger's charters for discrimination....

 

 

The Dodgers just went up a notch in my book

[thatoneguy]

Looks like Soto is going to be on the trade market.

[BTS]

Looks like Soto is going to be on the trade market.

 

Tiedemann for Soto. Get it done Shatkins.

[connorp]

Tiedemann for Soto. Get it done Shatkins.

 

No chance the Jays sign him long-term. So you of the “random playoff” ilk, it’s surprising you’d give up such a piece for one year of an elite bat

[BTS]

No chance the Jays sign him long-term. So you of the “random playoff” ilk, it’s surprising you’d give up such a piece for one year of an elite bat

 

Toronto kind of seems to be in a window right now instead of primed for perpetual contention. Might as well just get a top-3 hitter in the game and try to make as much noise as possible in 2024. Recoup some value via a comp pick in the offseason.

[Carlos Danger]

Toronto kind of seems to be in a window right now instead of primed for perpetual contention. Might as well just get a top-3 hitter in the game and try to make as much noise as possible in 2024. Recoup some value via a comp pick in the offseason.

 

Yup, Soto is a balls in move.. Remember TINSTAAPP......

[Jimcanuck]

75% of MLB teams will be talking to the Padres. Will take a fair bit more than Tieds.

[Stangstag]

75% of MLB teams will be talking to the Padres. Will take a fair bit more than Tieds.

 

For 1 year?? Not sure about that… maybe something like Tieds + Orelvis but I can’t see the Pads getting more than 1 top 30ish prospect + 1 fringe top 100 prospect.