2022 Blue Jays Post Season Discussion Thread!

[John_Havok]

Scherzer 5.5 O/U for K's against the Padres (-120)

 

Darvish 5.5 O/U for K's against the Mets (+110)

 

Take the over on both?

 

Mets have one of the lowest K rates as a team (19.7%), darvish around 9 k per 9 so... depending on how quick a hook, he might not get there. Scherzer is the better bet as Showalter tends to lean to leaving his guys in longer. Padres 22% K rate as a team

[jaysblue]

Mets have one of the lowest K rates as a team (19.7%), darvish around 9 k per 9 so... depending on how quick a hook, he might not get there. Scherzer is the better bet as Showalter tends to lean to leaving his guys in longer. Padres 22% K rate as a team

 

Yeah Mets don't strike out a lot. Darvish though did have success against them earlier this season. 6 K's over 7IP in his June start and 9 K's over 7IP in his July start, and that likely was with Marte in the lineup as well. All depends on how quickly he gets hooked but he's coming off a brilliant September (NL Pitcher of the Month). But Darvish could be erratic in some instances.

 

Scherzer I agree is the better bet, especially being in the Postseason with Showalter being more of an old school manager. Better to put more money on him.

 

As a same-game parlay, the odds are pretty good for both of them (+280).

[Solaxys]

We got Lance Barrett as 1st game ump; last time he was here, -0.98 Runs to TOR.

 

Fun times inc.

[Brownie19]

Trade Nate Pearson for him in the offseason.

 

In a heartbeat!

[Olerud363]

Nobody claimed these things. You're taking these innocuous, uncontroversial statements and using hyperbole to blow them out of proportion.

 

Haggerty isn't unique, but they don't have a pinch hitter, runner, or fielder of the same quality to add to the roster, let alone a player with all 3 of those qualities. Trammell can field fairly well, but is a below average runner and awful hitter.

 

Games are closer in the playoffs and benches are used more often than in the regular season. The loss of a key bench piece that fills multiple roles is more likely to hurt them now than it would have in April. To what degree I'll leave that for others to decide.

 

Note that none of this is even remotely untrue or controversial, but your response will contend that I claimed he's a 9 WAR player or something. There was really no reason to even discuss this beyond 'oh hey, a good player was hurt and now the Blue Jay's have a better chance of winning'.

 

lol. Trammell and Haggerty are pretty comparable and interchangaeble. You are creating a bizarre Grant narrative, like the Billy Mckenney is the next Justin Upton one, out of nothing. They are both fringe minor league players. They both are bad hitters. Trammell is younger and has more upside. Haggerty is older and a bit more experienced if you can call 300 career at bats, of which he was awful in before hitting .250 in 170 at bats this year "experience".

 

It seems, judging by your recent posts, you've recently discovered how to sort things on Fangraphs and are making posts about things you find, without even thinking about the context.

 

Like your entire Seattle's pitching is bad narative, relies on ignoring that Castillo is more like a 4 WAR pitcher, then the 1.5 WAR he was with Seattle.

Your entire narrative about Haggerty relies on assuming the best 200 PAs of his life (which aren't even that great) are typical.

 

And what evidence is there that Trammell is a bad base runner? The guy has hardly played. Just like Haggerty had hardly played before 5 months ago. Trammell stole bases in the minors albeit at not quite the rate Haggerty did.

 

The last time you told us someone was a terrible baserunner (Tapia) it was complete ******** based on 2 Rockies games you watched.

[Solaxys]

 

lol, dude is a bonafide superstar.

[z3r0s]

I understand what he means, but man is that a dumb way to say it.

Good thing he has an arm.

[Olerud363]

I thought it was a literal hole in his swing

 

like 2022 Cody Bellinger

 

2022 Bellinger is like a 1.7 WAR guy hitting .210,

 

If Kelenic can be like Bellinger and hit .220 he can be an almost 2 WAR guy too.

 

Kelenic hitting .140 is like the same as Tapia... lol. Maybe not quite. No checked it. Tapia is a 0.3 WAR guy.

 

So apparently Taylor Trammel and Tapia are tied with 0.3 WAR.

 

Laughing my ass off how supposedly replacing Haggerty with Trammel is A BIG f***ING DEAL.

 

Replacing Gurriel with Tapia? f***. No big deal. Tapia got this.

 

Wait didn't Grant say that Tapia is the worst base runner of all time?

 

According to Grant Logic losing Haggerty for Trammell, should be cancelled by losing Gurriel for Tapia, the worst baserunner of all time.

[Solaxys]

I understand what he means, but man is that a dumb way to say it.

Good thing he has an arm.

 

Haha, don't think you need to make sense on social media; just has to be quotable.

[Stottlemyres_Bloody_Chin]

We got Lance Barrett as 1st game ump; last time he was here, -0.98 Runs to TOR.

 

Fun times inc.

 

 

Where did you see that?

 

On this website it says that Jerry Meals is the crew chief and Adrian Johnson will be behind the plate for game 1.

 

Not sure if this site is right though.

 

http://www.stevetheump.com/Proumpires.htm

 

I don't see Lance Barrett listed for any of the series. At least we didnt get Nelson

[Solaxys]

Where did you see that?

 

On this website it says that Jerry Meals is the crew chief and Adrian Johnson will be behind the plate for game 1.

 

Not sure if this site is right

 

http://www.stevetheump.com/Proumpires.htm

 

Weird. This is the twitter post:

 

oh in your link, dude copy-pasted the mets/padres series under jays/mariners by accident

[Stangstag]

Weird. This is the twitter post:

 

oh in your link, dude copy-pasted the mets/padres series under jays/mariners by accident

 

Doug Eddings umping the playoffs is a f***ing joke

[Stottlemyres_Bloody_Chin]

NVM I see another website saying we have Barrett

 

https://www.castanet.net/news/Sports/389159/Barrett-Mrquez-Meals-Nelson-MLB-wild-card-crew-chiefs

[Stottlemyres_Bloody_Chin]

Weird. This is the twitter post:

 

oh in your link, dude copy-pasted the mets/padres series under jays/mariners by accident

 

I see that now. He def. copy-pasted except switched Jerry Meals. Good catch

[Olerud363]

Yeah got to love this board. No one gives a s*** that the Jays have to play a 0.3 WAR guy, on the level of Taylor Trammel.

 

I guess it is because Rocket Raimel has a killer attitude and can hit 420 foot 112 mph bombs once every 40 games. I could see him doing it twice this weekend and winning wild card MVP.

 

f*** WAR. People who watched the game for a long time know attitude... and Tapia has attitude and won't give a f*** about the pressure. Series MVP even though Tapia is the worst baserunner of all time, and according to fWAR at the level of Taylor Trammell this year.

[Solaxys]

Yeah got to love this board. No one gives a s*** that the Jays have to play a 0.3 WAR guy, on the level of Taylor Trammel.

 

I guess it is because Rocket Raimel has a killer attitude and can hit 420 foot 112 mph bombs once every 40 games. I could see him doing it twice this weekend and winning wild card MVP.

 

f*** WAR. People who watched the game for a long time know attitude... and Tapia has attitude and won't give a f*** about the pressure. Series MVP even though Tapia is the worst baserunner of all time, and according to fWAR at the level of Taylor Trammell this year.

 

Did you see what Paul Sewald did when they swept us at T-Mobile?

 

We need someone like Tapia to get out there and pump some pushups in their face. No mercy. f*** stats.

[jaysblue]

Yeah got to love this board. No one gives a s*** that the Jays have to play a 0.3 WAR guy, on the level of Taylor Trammel.

 

I guess it is because Rocket Raimel has a killer attitude and can hit 420 foot 112 mph bombs once every 40 games. I could see him doing it twice this weekend and winning wild card MVP.

 

f*** WAR. People who watched the game for a long time know attitude... and Tapia has attitude and won't give a f*** about the pressure. Series MVP even though Tapia is the worst baserunner of all time, and according to fWAR at the level of Taylor Trammell this year.

 

Tapia for World Series MVP!

[Brownie19]

Yeah got to love this board. No one gives a s*** that the Jays have to play a 0.3 WAR guy, on the level of Taylor Trammel.

 

I guess it is because Rocket Raimel has a killer attitude and can hit 420 foot 112 mph bombs once every 40 games. I could see him doing it twice this weekend and winning wild card MVP.

 

f*** WAR. People who watched the game for a long time know attitude... and Tapia has attitude and won't give a f*** about the pressure. Series MVP even though Tapia is the worst baserunner of all time, and according to fWAR at the level of Taylor Trammell this year.

 

Would you give it a rest for a little bit man? You're f***ing overwhelming lately. I DGAF about any of this, but keep in mind that Haggerty put up 1.5 WAR in only 201 PA's. That's a 4+ WAR player over 550 PA's (and yes I know prorating it like that never happens).

[BigCecil]

Trade Nate Pearson for him in the offseason.

 

No way. Nate's the next Jays Chris Carpenter if we deal him. Ye of little faith!

 

I can't f***ing wait until tomorrow. Dying here!

[Olerud363]

Would you give it a rest for a little bit man? You're f***ing overwhelming lately. I DGAF about any of this, but keep in mind that Haggerty put up 1.5 WAR in only 201 PA's. That's a 4+ WAR player over 550 PA's (and yes I know prorating it like that never happens).

 

Good God. It's a message board and this is one small discussion among many. Out of most of the regulars I have one of the lowest post counts, and am by no means trolling the board in any way.

 

I didn't even mention Haggerty in the last post and just found it interesting that the Jays are likely to play Tapia this series, but at this point no one is too concerned about that.

 

If you believe in the projections, or the lifetime numbers replacing Gurriel with Tapia is just as big a difference as any of the Seattle injuries. However no one seems worried.

[wilko]

No way. Nate's the next Jays Chris Carpenter if we deal him. Keep the faith!

 

Chris Carpenter was injury prone and didn't pitch more than 20 innings in a single season with the Jays?

[Brownie19]

Good God. It's a message board and this is one small discussion among many. Out of most of the regulars I have one of the lowest post counts, and am by no means trolling the board in any way.

 

I didn't even mention Haggerty in the last post and just found it interesting that the Jays are likely to play Tapia this series, but at this point no one is too concerned about that.

 

If you believe in the projections, or the lifetime numbers replacing Gurriel with Tapia is just as big a difference as any of the Seattle injuries. However no one seems worried.

 

I'm worry as f*** about playing Tapia. He's f***ing garbage, but I don't see any alternative right now unless you're going to stick Moreno out there, or put Whit in LF with Biggio at 2nd. But those obviously have a ton of risk too as Biggio hasn't hit worth a s*** lately and Moreno's....well, not a LFer.

 

Sorry man - I typically have no issue with your shtick about how Player A could post these numbers if he walked more, or these numbers if he swung more or how the outcome of Vlad could be A, B or C. Just seems like every time I come on lately it's you with a half pager about:

 

1. fill in players Seattle or trying to win a battle v. Grant that Seattle actually isn't that good;

2. should 62 hrs by Judge matter or not; or

3. forfeiting games.

 

Bring on Game 1 so we have new things to talk about!

[Solaxys]

[BigCecil]

Chris Carpenter was injury prone and didn't pitch more than 20 innings in a single season with the Jays?

 

And...as a result we dealt him and he became what? Nate is injury prone and has pitched 33 IP for us. They are twins.

 

I was being facetious. I know he has be useless but he is hard to give up on when we need pitching depth. Some arms figure it out a bit later post prospect hype. Gausman was one who did as well.

[wilko]

And...as a result we dealt him and he became what? Nate is injury prone and has pitched 33 IP for us. They are twins.

 

I was being facetious. I know he has be useless but he is hard to give up on when we need pitching depth. Some arms figure it out a bit later post prospect hype. Gausman was one who did as well.

 

Injuries were never Gassman's issue. He just needed to learn how to pitch.

[Stangstag]

 

Lol wtf

[BigCecil]

Injuries were never Gassman's issue. He just needed to learn how to pitch.

 

My point is some arms develop later, when they have talent. Sometimes it injuries. Sometimes its stuff/command. Sometimes it both. Gausman had some low inning seasons and then mastered the split later. Carpenter just got healthier and much better with the CB and off speed stuff. Guys like Rich Hill have done similar.

 

Sometimes they just never get healthy and/or better and flame out. I'd move Nate for real value but don't want to give up on him.

[Jimcanuck]

Carpenter didnt have a health issue with the Jays until the TJS. His issue was falling apart when a couple of guys got on base.

[wilko]

My point is some arms develop later, when they have talent. Sometimes it injuries. Sometimes its stuff/command. Sometimes it both. Gausman had some low inning seasons and then mastered the split later. Carpenter just got healthier and much better with the CB and off speed stuff. Guys like Rich Hill have done similar.

 

Sometimes they just never get healthy and/or better and flame out. I'd move Nate for real value but don't want to give up on him.

 

I don't even know what you would get for Nate right now. His value is at an all time low.

[Olerud363]

Carpenter didnt have a health issue with the Jays until the TJS. His issue was falling apart when a couple of guys got on base.

 

That and Pitchers in the late 90s had the same issues hitters do today. The run-scoring environment was out of wack and their numbers could look horrible even if they weren't doing that bad.