Toronto fans are a class act!

[Spanky99]

They benched him after, and likely called it a day for the season.

[Stangstag]

I mean Chapman is like Biggio really. Basically same hitter, D is probably a little better than numbers. Nothing deserving of a mea culpa there.

 

DJ a different story. I used to like him and there was just a lot of black hole sucking. Hopefully he sustains the good play

 

Jesus

[connorp]

Jesus

 

This is not a continuation. This is why Spanky decided to take the time to go digging though posts

[Spanky99]

This is not a continuation. This is why Spanky decided to take the time to go digging though posts

 

I didn't go through your immediate s***, I might cry.

[jaysblue]

Pretty good odds too, in comparison. I mean, it isn't even remotely close to a lottery.

 

Yeah definitely worth getting seats in the outfield. Even if you don't catch the HR ball, at least you get to watch a game and an historic one possibly.

[Boxcar]

You can track the baseball's coefficient of drag pretty easily. This season's baseballs look to be significantly more consistent compared to the previously data that is available. Nothing here suggests any kind of tomfoolery from MLB beyond excessively deadening this year's baseballs in the first place.

 

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/drag-dashboard#:~:text=The%20distributions%20of%20drag%20coefficient,2020%20and%200.02584%20in%202021).

 

In 2015, they stealth juiced the ball mid season and then denied it, so full season numbers aren't applicable in this theory. You might be right but it would directly contradict my being right and therefore your data is rejected, sorry.

[Boxcar]

Imagine paying millions of dollars for a ball that didn't even break a significant record. AL record, lol. Maybe next we should do records by division?

 

Next record to be broken: Jim Thome's 58 in the AL Central. Sal Perez was so close!

[Brownie19]

Hahahahaha... dude knows he's a millionaire.

 

I bet he gets 5M... good catch too.

 

I think the dude already WAS a millionaire. He manages 197 BILLION dollars in assets and is married to an ESPN broadcaster. Some guys have all the luck?

[Jimcanuck]

A clean 62 > a roided 73

[Laika]

Even if you think Judge is clean and Barry is a criminal...

 

Isn't it possible Sosa hit a clean 66? He was 29 at the time, physical prime. His positive test came 5 or 6 years later.

[connorp]

Even if you think Judge is clean and Barry is a criminal...

 

Isn't it possible Sosa hit a clean 66? He was 29 at the time, physical prime. His positive test came 5 or 6 years later.

 

I don’t know if I’ve ever seen someone come to the defense of Sammy f’n Sosa with roids.lol

[Laika]

:cool:

[wilko]

Even if you think Judge is clean and Barry is a criminal...

 

Isn't it possible Sosa hit a clean 66? He was 29 at the time, physical prime. His positive test came 5 or 6 years later.

 

Bat was corked.

[Captain Adama]

Bat was corked.

 

Didn't Mythbusters debunk that theory?

[John_Havok]

Bat was corked.

 

Corked bat was 2003. There was some article from MIT way back when that pretty much disproved a coreked bat making any real difference in batted ball distance.

[Brownie19]

Didn't Mythbusters debunk that theory?

 

Yes - I believe so.

[Olerud363]

Imagine paying millions of dollars for a ball that didn't even break a significant record. AL record, lol. Maybe next we should do records by division?

 

Next record to be broken: Jim Thome's 58 in the AL Central. Sal Perez was so close!

 

The AL Central was never a separate league. Obviously every year the leagues get closer and closer to being one, and next year interleague is going to expand so in 2023, with universal DH and every team playing every team it is probably really just one league now. But for anyone who cares....

 

1. Before 1997 no National Team had every played an American league team. It was completely separate, separate rules, separate Umps, separate ways of doing attendance. I believe separate rules for curfews and stopping games. I want to say American league had a 1 AM curfew, but National didn't, which is why 4th of July in the early 80s there was a bonkers Mets/Braves game that went to 5 AM. If other old timers remember some of the differences between AL and NL I'd be interested to hear them.

 

2. Announcers and media historically mentioned the records of each league. We knew who Hack Wilson was. There was (and still is) separate batting, rbi and homerun titles. When Cecil Fielder hit 50 in 90, they mentioned he was the first to do it in the AL since Maris in 61.

 

3. After 1997 interleague came but at first it was minimal. Just play teams in the corresponding geographic division once a year, and maybe a 'natural' rival twice. It's expanded now to play different teams every year, and next to play every team, which will really end the idea of separate leagues.

 

OK. That's it. There used to be separate leagues, and it was important to people. Now there's not. Or at the very least it's very diluted.

[Omar]

This thread is right up there with the best of peterkim.

[Olerud363]

This thread is right up there with the best of peterkim.

 

f***. Our society is going to hell.

 

You actually think a decent discussion about a complicated record, PED history, historical discussion of the evolution of the separate leagues is equivalent to some moron who posts gibberish lineups and trade ideas in broken english?

[Omar]

f***. Our society is going to hell.

 

You actually think a decent discussion about a complicated record, PED history, historical discussion of the evolution of the separate leagues is equivalent to some moron who posts gibberish lineups and trade ideas in broken english?

 

Don't be so self centred. Did you read the rest of the thread?

[John_Havok]

f***. Our society is going to hell.

 

You actually think a decent discussion about a complicated record, PED history, historical discussion of the evolution of the separate leagues is equivalent to some moron who posts gibberish lineups and trade ideas in broken english?

 

I dont get whats so complicated about the record. The HR record is 73 for MLB. Its in black and white in the record books. AL record still deserves some attention as hitting 60+ HR regardless of whether it's the MLB record is exceptionally rare. Adding to it's mystique in the AL is that only NY Yankees RFs have done it.

[Brownie19]

f***. Our society is going to hell.

 

You actually think a decent discussion about a complicated record, PED history, historical discussion of the evolution of the separate leagues is equivalent to some moron who posts gibberish lineups and trade ideas in broken english?

 

Olerud - the issue is that it never f***ing ends. Pages of discussions that lead nowhere because there are valid points on both sides of the table.

[connorp]

Olerud - the issue is that it never f***ing ends. Pages of discussions that lead nowhere because there are valid points on both sides of the table.

 

I’d like to say I was firmly on one side of the issue, but while I’m on the side of 73 is the record, it’s partially because of the appreciation of how great Bonds was.

 

If it was Sammy Sosa, I’d say burn the record books lol

[connorp]

I’d erase any record for someone that at least was caught or admitted to cheating. Anything else is gray

 

(This is if Sammy was HR King)

[connorp]

Like it or not, 73 is the record because mlb allows it to be. If they erase it tomorrow, 73 is just a trivia answer 10 years from now

[connorp]

I also have to think there’s precedence in the world of sports. Say a track star breaks a world record but tests positive afterwards. Since he’s stripped of his medal, I’m going to assume the record time is wiped too.

[John_Havok]

I also have to think there’s precedence in the world of sports. Say a track star breaks a world record but tests positive afterwards. Since he’s stripped of his medal, I’m going to assume the record time is wiped too.

 

Amateur sports are a whole different ball of crazy

[connorp]

Amateur sports are a whole different ball of crazy

 

Not just them. UFC for instance you get stripped of the win (changed to a no contest) and any title for testing positive.

 

So again, just because something happened (that part you can’t change), doesn’t mean it has to count

[Laika]

I also have to think there’s precedence in the world of sports. Say a track star breaks a world record but tests positive afterwards. Since he’s stripped of his medal, I’m going to assume the record time is wiped too.

 

Yeah that's how it works. There are examples from the Olympics. The IOC strips the records.

[Laika]

But the IOC does that if an athlete tests positive during the event.

 

In baseball with these records we don't have that. Like, Sammy Sosa maintains he never failed a drug test. We just have MLB saying he tested positive in 2003.

 

Mark McGwire admitted to a decade of steroid use (bless his soul).

 

Bonds says his trainer gave him steroids without telling him. He did not test positive in any official in-season, MLB testing. I believe his positive tests were like, adjacent to or within other legal proceedings and the chain of custody on them is super questionable?

 

So we all know they all did roids

 

So it's like a Florence Griffith-Joyner situation. Her womens 100m WR still stands but it predated regular Olympic drug testing (1988) and many people think she roided the year she set it. But she didn't test positive in 1988 so that's still her world record.