Toronto fans are a class act!

[Terminator]

Hank Aaron himself admitted to taking amphetamines. No idea why he skates and why Bonds gets crucified.

 

Well actually I do know why. Because Bonds hated those dweeb sportswriters. That's why they all jerk off to Ortiz even though he was implicated in steroid use. It's not about the roids, it really comes down to whether or not the player was chummy with sportswriters.

[connorp]

Hank Aaron himself admitted to taking amphetamines. No idea why he skates and why Bonds gets crucified.

 

Well actually I do know why. Because Bonds hated those dweeb sportswriters. That's why they all jerk off to Ortiz even though he was implicated in steroid use. It's not about the roids, it really comes down to whether or not the player was chummy with sportswriters.

 

I think Big Mac was chummy with the media. I forget how Sammy Sosa was

[connorp]

Well, actually I remember Peyton Manning got caught for HGH and did the Roger Clemens excuse that his wife took it, and that was the end of it. That was pretty egregious

[Brownie19]

Well, actually I remember Peyton Manning got caught for HGH and did the Roger Clemens excuse that his wife took it, and that was the end of it. That was pretty egregious

 

PED use in football is so common that it's just accepted and nobody gives a f***.

[L54]

Bonds' numbers are insane and there's all sorts of mind blowing stats that you can pull from them.

 

I kind of get the steroid arguments around McGwire and Sosa. I don't necessarily agree but I can at least see the argument for excluding them from the HoF. But Bonds is on a whole other planet and Aaron Judge can't even carry his jockstrap for him.

 

Nobody is arguing Judge>Bonds. Why are you so aggressively trying to diminish one of the greatest individual seasons ever?

[Terminator]

Nobody is arguing Judge>Bonds. Why are you so aggressively trying to diminish one of the greatest individual seasons ever?

 

Have you been living under a rock? People most certainly are arguing that. Maris Jr. and the sportswriting goons are currently leading the charge.

[Brownie19]

Hank Aaron himself admitted to taking amphetamines. No idea why he skates and why Bonds gets crucified.

 

Well actually I do know why. Because Bonds hated those dweeb sportswriters. That's why they all jerk off to Ortiz even though he was implicated in steroid use. It's not about the roids, it really comes down to whether or not the player was chummy with sportswriters.

 

Using amphetamines was technically cheating (banned as of 1971) the same as steroids use was also cheating - so, this is correct. However, steroids and HGH are clearly more impactful as performance enhancers than amphetamines are. This is a massive rabbit hole issue.

[Brownie19]

Have you been living under a rock? People most certainly are arguing that. Maris Jr. and the sportswriting goons are currently leading the charge.

 

I agree that it's a great individual season but it is not historic nor is it record breaking. If Vlad Jr. was having this season no one would care. But because it's a Yankee they are trying to manufacture it as some great historical event and it's not. ESPN is literally cutting away from live college football games to show Aaron Judge ABs. It's ridiculous and you should be ashamed that you have bought into it.

 

It's still the AL home run record and the Yankees record. It's still technically a record - but I agree, perhaps not worth cutting away from a live college football game to watch, but still, as a baseball fan, it's worth following. I guess it would be interesting to see if there would be similar fanfare in Canada if someone was approaching the Jays single season HR record. Obviously it wouldn't be anywhere near the same as this Judge thing - but I do think as a Jays fan, it would be must watch TV and local TV and local sports shows would be talking about that historical season a lot.

 

Perhaps here's another way to look at it. If someone was this late in the season, chasing a .400 average - would you consider that to be worth of the same coverage as Judge is getting? It wouldn't be a record, but it would absolutely be must watch TV and I hope they'd cut away from some s***** college football game to show it. And yes I recognize there's been a huge gap in time since the last .400 hitter (where as 60+ HRs was achieved recently - in a relative manner).

[Terminator]

The AL home run record lol

[Olerud363]

It's still the AL home run record and the Yankees record. It's still technically a record - but I agree, perhaps not worth cutting away from a live college football game to watch, but still, as a baseball fan, it's worth following. I guess it would be interesting to see if there would be similar fanfare in Canada if someone was approaching the Jays single season HR record. Obviously it wouldn't be anywhere near the same as this Judge thing - but I do think as a Jays fan, it would be must watch TV and local TV and local sports shows would be talking about that historical season a lot.

 

Perhaps here's another way to look at it. If someone was this late in the season, chasing a .400 average - would you consider that to be worth of the same coverage as Judge is getting? It wouldn't be a record, but it would absolutely be must watch TV and I hope they'd cut away from some s***** college football game to show it. And yes I recognize there's been a huge gap in time since the last .400 hitter (where as 60+ HRs was achieved recently - in a relative manner).

 

It happened in 2010 and honestly I'm not sure anyone cared. It was bizarre and shocking actually. Jose Bautista was no one, a terrible right handed hitter who senile old Cito would play instead of Travis Snider... like the next Jacob Brumfrield. He was like a fluky all star selection, honestly not much different then Espinal. Hit .230 with 24 homers in the first half. OK. Some fluky power. Then had a better second half and all of a sudden had 54 homeruns.,

 

If Vlad beat that one year it would be fun and exciting but yeah, obviously no where near the Judge thing. I think the .400 average thing wouldn't be a big deal until the last couple of days. Could lose it at any time. Last 2 games of the season it would be a big deal.

[Olerud363]

It happened in 2010 and honestly I'm not sure anyone cared. It was bizarre and shocking actually. Jose Bautista was no one, a terrible right handed hitter who senile old Cito would play instead of Travis Snider... like the next Jacob Brumfrield. He was like a fluky all star selection, honestly not much different then Espinal. Hit .230 with 24 homers in the first half. OK. Some fluky power. Then had a better second half and all of a sudden had 54 homeruns.,

 

If Vlad beat that one year it would be fun and exciting but yeah, obviously no where near the Judge thing. I think the .400 average thing wouldn't be a big deal until the last couple of days. Could lose it at any time. Last 2 games of the season it would be a big deal.

 

Jose Bautista becoming Jose Bautista in 2010, would be like Tapia making a batting stance change and hitting .370 next year with a torrid end of season run breaking the Jays batting average record, with it only becoming apparent what was happening in late August, people would be just in shock and not know how to react.

[Olerud363]

The AL home run record lol

 

Still have AL batting titles, HR titles, RBI titles.

 

Still AL/NL MVPs. Anyone over 35 should remember when the leagues were completely separate. No interleague, different rules. AL record means something.

[Terminator]

In 2017 Stanton hit 59 homers and no one cared. If he played for Tampa instead of Miami and he was threatening the "AL home run record" would he have gotten more pub? Of course not.

 

This is all Yankee fueled ******** but what's funny is that Yankee fans actually believe the s*** they are shoveling. It'd be one thing if they knew they were full of it but they are all so full of themselves they can't actually see it. Baseball history boils down to Yankee history for them, even though the overwhelming majority of that history was supplied well over 60 years ago.

[Olerud363]

In 2017 Stanton hit 59 homers and no one cared. If he played for Tampa instead of Miami and he was threatening the "AL home run record" would he have gotten more pub? Of course not.

 

This is all Yankee fueled ******** but what's funny is that Yankee fans actually believe the s*** they are shoveling. It'd be one thing if they knew they were full of it but they are all so full of themselves they can't actually see it. Baseball history boils down to Yankee history for them, even though the overwhelming majority of that history was supplied well over 60 years ago.

 

Did you know today is the anniversary of the Don Mattingly grand slam record?

[Stangstag]

Hank Aaron himself admitted to taking amphetamines. No idea why he skates and why Bonds gets crucified.

 

Well actually I do know why. Because Bonds hated those dweeb sportswriters. That's why they all jerk off to Ortiz even though he was implicated in steroid use. It's not about the roids, it really comes down to whether or not the player was chummy with sportswriters.

 

This is exactly it. Bonds doesn’t get a pass because he was a dick to sports writers and generally a s*** person

[Stangstag]

In 2017 Stanton hit 59 homers and no one cared. If he played for Tampa instead of Miami and he was threatening the "AL home run record" would he have gotten more pub? Of course not.

 

This is all Yankee fueled ******** but what's funny is that Yankee fans actually believe the s*** they are shoveling. It'd be one thing if they knew they were full of it but they are all so full of themselves they can't actually see it. Baseball history boils down to Yankee history for them, even though the overwhelming majority of that history was supplied well over 60 years ago.

 

If Stanton reached 60 it would definitely have been a bigger thing. He fell just short. I remember following his last few games to see if he’d make it

[L54]

Go search individual seasons by wRC+ and tell me it’s not historic

 

Nobody here is arguing Judge is better than Bonds. Anyone who has beef with that needs to go argue on the Bleacher Report Facebook page

 

It’s good for the sport. He’s done it without juiced balls. He’s handled it like a true professional. It’s weird to try and pretend it’s not a big deal

[L54]

He’s also on the cusp of winning a triple crown

[Spanky99]

Go search individual seasons by wRC+ and tell me it’s not historic

 

Nobody here is arguing Judge is better than Bonds. Anyone who has beef with that needs to go argue on the Bleacher Report Facebook page

 

It’s good for the sport. He’s done it without juiced balls. He’s handled it like a true professional. It’s weird to try and pretend it’s not a big deal

 

To be honest, I thought Term was just trolling the OP, although that was a nice gesture and kudos to him. Now I'm not so sure, lol. Dude might win the triple crown while crushing 60+ dingers, it's an insane season, and I love and respect that he's such a humble guy, team first dude. I'm glad he bet on himself, and is going to make bank.

[L54]

To be honest, I thought Term was just trolling the OP, although that was a nice gesture and kudos to him. Now I'm not so sure, lol. Dude might win the triple crown while crushing 60+ dingers, it's an insane season, and I love and respect that he's such a humble guy, team first dude. I'm glad he bet on himself, and is going to make bank.

 

He is gonna get paid. It’s actually going to be interesting how teams value him. Can you realistically plug him into CF for the next 3 years? Glad he waited to have his best year headed into FA

[Spanky99]

He is gonna get paid. It’s actually going to be interesting how teams value him. Can you realistically plug him into CF for the next 3 years? Glad he waited to have his best year headed into FA

 

I can't see why not, he's athletic enough.

[Spanky99]

Blue Jays fan Kyle Mulligan on Jimmy Kimmel: Frankie Lasagna bumped my glove...

 

Hahaha... cool dude.

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/blue-jays-fan-kyle-mulligan-on-jimmy-kimmel-frankie-lasagna-bumped-my-glove/

 

Frankie Lasagna, lol... he had no chance...

 

Edited September 30, 2022 by Spanky99

[mphenhef]

We joke but Judge may have the only "legit" HR record next to Maris

 

The thing is no one will ever know for sure. Nearly ten percent of players today have therapeutic use exemptions for amphetamines, which actually are way more performance enhancing than steroids (2014 Chris Davis didn't get his normal exemption). Since the impacts of it are so much higher for hitters than pitchers I would fathom a guess that if you got that number broken down by hitters it would be closer to 15%. So there's an approximately 1/6 chance Judge is on a PED, albeit in a legal manner.

[mphenhef]

Using amphetamines was technically cheating (banned as of 1971) the same as steroids use was also cheating - so, this is correct. However, steroids and HGH are clearly more impactful as performance enhancers than amphetamines are. This is a massive rabbit hole issue.

 

I've recall hearing the exact opposite. Amphetamines are way better than steroids or HGH for performance enhancement due to how they improve reaction time and fast twitch muscle response. Take a look at Chris Davis' stat lines. 2014 is a massive outlier of shite. It just so happens that he didn't get his therapeutic use exemption that year.

[Brownie19]

I've recall hearing the exact opposite. Amphetamines are way better than steroids or HGH for performance enhancement due to how they improve reaction time and fast twitch muscle response. Take a look at Chris Davis' stat lines. 2014 is a massive outlier of shite. It just so happens that he didn't get his therapeutic use exemption that year.

 

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure any of that is true. Read this story.

 

https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bal-chris-davis-talks-about-suspension-and-his-add-20150131-story.html

 

He was diagnosed with ADHD in 2008 and began taking Adderall then. For whatever reason, he wasn't granted an exception in 2012 (when he was OK), in 2013 (when he was great) or in 2014 (when he was s***). He was busted for taking Adderall in 2014 and served a 25 game suspension. If you read between the lines, it sounds like he started taking Adderall again in 2014 - while knowing it was banned - as a crutch because he was battling injury and really struggling at the plate (and thus we looking for anything might help him).

 

He was given an exemption again from 2015 through the end of his career (I believe) so theoretically, he was on it throughout his unprecedented decline, which started at age 30 and he was completely useless at age 31.

 

Davis was also a beast and thus very well could have been on HGH - only to go 'off' it as soon as he got the big paycheck. I don't think he's a good example to use. If you google it, almost everything suggests steroids/HGH are significantly more performance enhancing than amphetamines.

 

If amphetamines enhanced performance that much - do you think MLB would grant exemptions and wouldn't like everyone in baseball be applying for them? I think it would be a MASSIVE debate every year if they were better than roids. Dr. Ned would be diagnosis the entire league with ADHD so they could get an exemption.

[mphenhef]

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure any of that is true. Read this story.

 

https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bal-chris-davis-talks-about-suspension-and-his-add-20150131-story.html

 

He was diagnosed with ADHD in 2008 and began taking Adderall then. For whatever reason, he wasn't granted an exception in 2012 (when he was OK), in 2013 (when he was great) or in 2014 (when he was s***). He was busted for taking Adderall in 2014 and served a 25 game suspension. If you read between the lines, it sounds like he started taking Adderall again in 2014 - while knowing it was banned - as a crutch because he was battling injury and really struggling at the plate (and thus we looking for anything might help him).

 

He was given an exemption again from 2015 through the end of his career (I believe) so theoretically, he was on it throughout his unprecedented decline, which started at age 30 and he was completely useless at age 31.

 

Davis was also a beast and thus very well could have been on HGH - only to go 'off' it as soon as he got the big paycheck. I don't think he's a good example to use. If you google it, almost everything suggests steroids/HGH are significantly more performance enhancing than amphetamines.

 

If amphetamines enhanced performance that much - do you think MLB would grant exemptions and wouldn't like everyone in baseball be applying for them? I think it would be a MASSIVE debate every year if they were better than roids. Dr. Ned would be diagnosis the entire league with ADHD so they could get an exemption.

 

My source was https://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/66742/are-too-many-players-being-given-a-therapeutic-use-exemption

 

"Davis had requested and been granted a therapeutic use exemption in 2013 and received one again in 2015, but didn't request one in 2014. Coincidentally or not, he was great in 2013 and 2015 and terrible in 2014."

[Boxcar]

It’s more complicated than that obviously. Many people considered 61 the “true record” still..

 

Those people are idiots though, because the true record is literally 73 and they need to stfu and deal with it.

[Boxcar]

Bonds was a freak, steroids or not. And we can't effectively prove that guys like Maris/Ruth etc. never juiced. Plus everyone was juicing during the Bonds era. Plus he never actually failed a drug test so.... are we even certain Judge is clean?

 

Im fine with saying Judge now shares the AL homerun record. That is true. To say he is the "true homerun record holder" though is a bit of a crap statement.

 

I don't really give a s*** about any of this, but what really makes me laugh is that MLB is constantly f***ing with the baseballs and juicing them up. So Judge EFFECTIVELY gets the same advantages Sosa, Bonds, McGwire had but the advantage is in a different place.

 

73 is the record, end of story. Don't like it, beat it. Baseball puritans are one of the reasons I stopped enjoying this sport.

 

There is no record that exists independently of Bonds' record. That's the record. f*** you Maris Jr.

[Boxcar]

Hank Aaron himself admitted to taking amphetamines. No idea why he skates and why Bonds gets crucified.

 

Well actually I do know why. Because Bonds hated those dweeb sportswriters. That's why they all jerk off to Ortiz even though he was implicated in steroid use. It's not about the roids, it really comes down to whether or not the player was chummy with sportswriters.

 

And remember, Mike Piazza, hitting 50 homers a year as a catcher playing nearly every day fora long time? Totally normal thing that definitely still happens today outside of the steroid era. Nothing at all to question there.

[John_Havok]

And remember, Mike Piazza, hitting 50 homers a year as a catcher playing nearly every day fora long time? Totally normal thing that definitely still happens today outside of the steroid era. Nothing at all to question there.

 

There's a guy nobody ever talks about, who at age 37, 38 and 39 saw a massive power bump right in the midst of the Sosa/McGwire thing, and there was never a peep about him either. He hit nearly 30 % of his career HR totals in those 3 seasons. In the 15 seasons prior his SLG was .440, in the age 37-39 seasons it was .513

 

1 HR for every 93 PA for 15 seasons, then suddenly it was 1 HR for every 34 PA at age 37-39. Never gets mentioned as a possible user.