GDT: Jays @ A's Game 2 of 3

[Stangstag]

Walker is absolutely gone if we miss the playoffs due to pitching. They will need a scapegoat.

 

Charlie should be gone too if they don’t make it.

[Dagagad]

Charlie should be gone too if they don’t make it.

 

Probably. A FO usually gets to can a few managers before they get the blame. So, yea probably Charlie too.

[Stangstag]

How sad is it that im not even confident Berrios will pitch 5 innings tomorrow…

 

And then they go face Seattle for 3 with the starters being ???-Stripling-Manoah.

 

Gausman likely to the DL until after the all star break. Things don’t look great

[BigCecil]

We’re all stuck in this vicious cycle

 

amen to that. could be worse i guess. at least we have 2 rings. SEA came in at the same time and still has 0.

[Spanky99]

How sad is it that im not even confident Berrios will pitch 5 innings tomorrow…

 

And then they go face Seattle for 3 with the starters being ???-Stripling-Manoah.

 

Gausman likely to the DL until after the all star break. Things don’t look great

 

Lawrence, according to Arash and Shi.

[Omar]

Walker is absolutely gone if we miss the playoffs due to pitching. They will need a scapegoat.

 

I don't think they let Walker go. He can't turn s*** to gold everytime. If they let him go, he would have job offers within a day. Charlie on the other hand would have to fall on his sword.

[Omar]

The Pirates beat the Yanks....baseball.

[Dagagad]

I don't think they let Walker go. He can't turn s*** to gold everytime. If they let him go, he would have job offers within a day. Charlie on the other hand would have to fall on his sword.

 

Both I think but you might be right.

[Stangstag]

amen to that. could be worse i guess. at least we have 2 rings. SEA came in at the same time and still has 0.

 

Doesn’t mean much to me, I wasn’t around. I need a new ring dammit. Or at least some more playoff appearances/series wins

[Daniel Labude]

Biggest thing the Jays coaching needs to drive home is knowing the pitcher imo. If they are facing a team or pitcher that will and can throw the outside corner and bottom of the zone teams are sticking to that like glue vs us. Hit the ball to RF has to be the approach

[Spanky99]

Coach!!!

[Daniel Labude]

Coach!!!

 

Oh no the cranky old man got loose and is yelling at the clouds again

[BigCecil]

Doesn’t mean much to me, I wasn’t around. I need a new ring dammit. Or at least some more playoff appearances/series wins

 

I've been chasing that high, since the night of the Carter walk off, for 29 years. Watched it on TV in Whitehorse, Yukon.

[Stangstag]

Biggest thing the Jays coaching needs to drive home is knowing the pitcher imo. If they are facing a team or pitcher that will and can throw the outside corner and bottom of the zone teams are sticking to that like glue vs us. Hit the ball to RF has to be the approach

 

They have a “hitting strategist” who’s literal job is only this. In addition to the hitting coach.

[Solaxys]

They have a “hitting strategist” who’s literal job is only this. In addition to the hitting coach.

 

Then we need a better strategist, cause I am not entirely sure what he has been strategizing during cold streaks for the batters to have better ABs/eking out wins.

[Laika]

Then we need a better strategist, cause I am not entirely sure what he has been strategizing during cold streaks for the batters to have better ABs/eking out wins.

 

Toronto is 4th in wRC+ behind only the Astros, Yankees, and Dodgers.

 

And that is despite some specific players underperforming.

 

Their offensive approach is fine generally speaking!

[Brownie19]

Then we need a better strategist, cause I am not entirely sure what he has been strategizing during cold streaks for the batters to have better ABs/eking out wins.

 

That's because you're generally ignorant on this subject (as are most fans). It's easy to look at the results and think these people are all idiots, but they aren't. There are pitching and defensive strategist's on the other side trying too. These are highly trained professionals. You understand the tip of the iceberg. This is pretty common phenomenon unfortunately. People love to complain about stuff they don't understand very well and yell for change.

[Solaxys]

That's because you're generally ignorant on this subject (as are most fans). It's easy to look at the results and think these people are all idiots, but they aren't. There are pitching and defensive strategist's on the other side trying too. These are highly trained professionals. You understand the tip of the iceberg. This is pretty common phenomenon unfortunately. People love to complain about stuff they don't understand very well and yell for change.

 

Are jobs not decided by results? No room to get better?

And its ignorant of you to assume that I am assuming said individual is an idiot.

If someone strategizing on the other side is better than our strategizing, against one of the worst pitching clubs in the game - against an awful pitcher, then that definitely needs looking into.

 

Obviously baseball is 162 games and its a long summation of statistics, but that doesn't mean what Rivera did last night wasn't abhorrent (as an example), even though he is "highly trained" and understands the "iceberg" more than me.

[jaysblue]

That's because you're generally ignorant on this subject (as are most fans). It's easy to look at the results and think these people are all idiots, but they aren't. There are pitching and defensive strategist's on the other side trying too. These are highly trained professionals. You understand the tip of the iceberg. This is pretty common phenomenon unfortunately. People love to complain about stuff they don't understand very well and yell for change.

 

You do know sometimes it's alright to question these "highly trained professionals" not just in baseball but other professions as well? There are highly trained professionals in many occupations, though it doesn't mean they are 100% correct all the time. They should be criticized when results aren't happening.

[Solaxys]

I'm more comfortable with Lourdes, Kirk and Jansen against a nasty RHP than I am with Bichette, Teo, Chapman.

 

I think those guys handle tough RHPs better, more plate coverage on the sliders, better swing decisions.

 

There might be something you can parse out regarding NASTY RHPs vs. our lineup because that's all you're going to see in the playoffs.

 

I can do it, what do you consider Nasty? Like is Taillon nasty?

[jaysblue]

The Pirates beat the Yanks....baseball.

 

Should have bet them last night with Quintana pitching. They were paying good odds.

[polar bear]

amen to that. could be worse i guess. at least we have 2 rings. SEA came in at the same time and still has 0.

 

Wtf has that got to do with anything

[Solaxys]

Anyone with a plus slider. Taillon works more vertical which is probably easier to handle.

If you play around in Savant, the best run value hitter we have against RHP sliders (2020-2022) is actually Gurriel. Then Vlad.

By xwoba you get Vlad, Gurriel, Kirk, Bichette/Jansen, Chapman, Teo.

 

lol yup. Kirk putting up a casual 1.064 OPS, Lourdes with 0.916, Chapman with 0.699, Bo/Teo with 0.5 OPS against any righty pitcher in the last two years with a wSL of 5.5 or higher

Didn't do Vladdy since you didn't mention him in your first list

[Brownie19]

Are jobs not decided by results? No room to get better?

And its ignorant of you to assume that I am assuming said individual is an idiot.

If someone strategizing on the other side is better than our strategizing, against one of the worst pitching clubs in the game - against an awful pitcher, then that definitely needs looking into.

 

Obviously baseball is 162 games and its a long summation of statistics, but that doesn't mean what Rivera did last night wasn't abhorrent (as an example), even though he is "highly trained" and understands the "iceberg" more than me.

 

You do know sometimes it's alright to question these "highly trained professionals" not just in baseball but other professions as well? There are highly trained professionals in many occupations, though it doesn't mean they are 100% correct all the time. They should be criticized when results aren't happening.

 

Questioning them after 1 game when they are 4th in MLB in wRC+ is really silly guys. What if their strategy was bang on last night, but the hitters simply didn't perform? There are all kinds of variables that are outside of their control (injuries, umpires, BABIP, etc.). The vast majority of the time that professionals are 'questioned' it's from a position of ignorance and there are lot of logical reasons for the results. Now of course there are always some situations where there are long term result issues that warranty change, but that certainly isn't after 1 game.

 

source - I'm a (non-baseball) professional. 95% of the time I get questioned it's by ignorant people who has no clue what they are talking about. My favourite type is the Trump wannabees. It you talk loud and lots it must mean you're right.