General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[Dagagad]

Jansen - to trade him would end up being a great sell high or terrible timing if this is a star breaking out

 

Kirk - I still don't think people understand how good he is as a hitter. This is probably a 4+ win player that you can never get enough value for in trades because of how he looks.

 

Moreno - prospects of his caliber are rarely traded. But catching prospects are tough man. Remember all of the catching prospect corpses in this organization's history?

 

I think I'd be cool with trading Moreno for the best MLB impact return.

 

Not only is he a great hitter, he’s now shown that he can be an everyday ish catcher and a great framer. I can’t see us trading him for anything less than a massive return.

[Laika]

Not only is he a great hitter, he’s now shown that he can be an everyday ish catcher and a great framer. I can’t see us trading him for anything less than a massive return.

 

Moreno?

[Dagagad]

Moreno?

 

Kirk.

[max silver]

Why would a contending team wait for the offseason to trade prospects?

 

That's not what I meant. I was saying that the Jays can trade from the minor league system to grab a back of the rotation starter. Remember the Robbie Ray and Taijuan Walker trades? These trades cost essentially nothing. There is no need to subtract from the major league squad to fill a rotation spot right now. That can certainly change if one of the top 4 goes down due to injury but that's an issue that hasn't arisen yet.

[Dagagad]

Is there any way we could get the Rockies to sell low on Marquez?

[Jimcanuck]

That's not what I meant. I was saying that the Jays can trade from the minor league system to grab a back of the rotation starter. Remember the Robbie Ray and Taijuan Walker trades? These trades cost essentially nothing. There is no need to subtract from the major league squad to fill a rotation spot right now. That can certainly change if one of the top 4 goes down due to injury but that's an issue that hasn't arisen yet.

 

We will have to agree to disagree then. You don't think pitching reinforcements are needed, and I do.

[Spanky99]

Aw Spanky. Too hard to follow? Critical thinking is a tough business

 

Your critical thinking, gets you the lulz, meat.

[Spanky99]

Jansen - to trade him would end up being a great sell high or terrible timing if this is a star breaking out

 

Kirk - I still don't think people understand how good he is as a hitter. This is probably a 4+ win player that you can never get enough value for in trades because of how he looks.

 

Moreno - prospects of his caliber are rarely traded. But catching prospects are tough man. Remember all of the catching prospect corpses in this organization's history?

 

I think I'd be cool with trading Moreno for the best MLB impact return.

 

This is how I see it. Moreno can really tighten this team up. Getting 5+ Wins from our current duo is pretty sexy ATM.

[max silver]

We will have to agree to disagree then. You don't think pitching reinforcements are needed, and I do.

I'm not sure I said reinforcements wouldn't be needed. Pitching reinforcements don't require sending out a top 4 prospect or breaking up MLB's top offensive tandem. You seem to be desperate to bleed value in trade for some reason.

[Jimcanuck]

I'm not sure I said reinforcements wouldn't be needed. Pitching reinforcements don't require sending out a top 4 prospect or breaking up MLB's top offensive tandem. You seem to be desperate to bleed value in trade for some reason.

 

"desperate to bleed value"? As I said, I trust in Shatkins to get the right return in any deal. I don't have anything to do with their value assessment.

 

You want to optimize the ability of the Jays to win games? You try to make a good deal involving one of the three. I'm not sure what you don't understand about that.

[Dagagad]

I still think you trade Kirk or Moreno if you get absolutely blown away. You trade Jansen for good value.

 

Even if this is a real breakout, then you still need to pay him in 2 years and some approximation of his value in arb right away. It’s way better for our long term window to have Kirk and Moreno on cheaper deals. Having guys performing for not much money is how you afford bo and vlad.

[Laika]

Trading the veteran C from a good, competitive team and replacing him with two babies has all kinds of downsides though....

 

I think for 2022 trading Jansen is the riskiest play

[Laika]

Trading the veteran C from a good, competitive team and replacing him with two babies has all kinds of downsides though....

 

I think for 2022 trading Jansen is the riskiest play

[connorp]

The team has 4 very good starters already. Adding a back of the rotation starter is not going to necessitate panicking and shipping out one of the Jays 3 catchers. This can easily wait until the offseason as the Jays have a plethora of good players in the minor league system they can utilise in trades.

 

I’m a Kooch guy but let’s not put him in the good SP bin. He’s an actual decent backend SP not a past failure like Chase Anderson (Laila’s boy) or Roarke. Not someone you want starting Game 4 in a big spot for sure. And Berrios is scary so far. Like maybe he could use a reset next year

[Dagagad]

Trading the veteran C from a good, competitive team and replacing him with two babies has all kinds of downsides though....

 

I think for 2022 trading Jansen is the riskiest play

 

You would need to have a pretty strong read on how good Moreno (especially defensively) will be for sure. Maybe, you call Moreno up and see how he does for a month before the deadline. Of course, that could hurt his value if he struggles.

[Spanky99]

I say just leave them be for now, much can change in the next 4-6 weeks.

[connorp]

I say just leave them be for now, much can change in the next 4-6 weeks.

 

Pretty much nothing gets done until closer to the deadline anyway. Jays will be a playoff team regardless, the arm will be about the next level. So I agree with your dumbass for a change

[connorp]

Fix the forum you cheap f***s lol

[Spanky99]

Fix the forum you cheap f***s lol

 

Have you ever donated you cheap f***?! lol... I agree though.

[connorp]

Have you ever donated you cheap f***?! lol... I agree though.

 

I fear the money will end up going to a lefty super pac

[Spanky99]

I fear the money will end up going to a lefty super pac

 

Or the Jersey Boxy never got, lol.

[Jimcanuck]

Have you ever donated you cheap f***?! lol... I agree though.

 

There is advertising on this forum. Why should anyone donate anything?

[Jimcanuck]

So would anyone be on board with a Moreno deal, with appropriate minor additions on either side to even out the value, for one of the following current #3/4 SP:

 

Edward Cabrera

Roansy Contreras

Logan Gilbert

George Kirby

Logan Webb

Hunter Greene

Josiah Gray

Shane Baz

 

Or how about these MLB ready or almost ready guys: Max Meyer, Brayan Bello, Hunter Brown

 

Not advocating for any particular player, and I'm aware these types of deals are quite rare, just curious as to reactions.

[Spanky99]

There is advertising on this forum. Why should anyone donate anything?

 

You serious? Donations were made loooong before the ads, well, aside from Tercet betting against himself. lol... that guy was cray!

[Jimcanuck]

You serious? Donations were made loooong before the ads, well, aside from Tercet betting against himself. lol... that guy was cray!

 

Yes, I'm serious. These discussion boards return money to the creator.

[Spanky99]

So would anyone be on board with a Moreno deal, with appropriate minor additions on either side to even out the value, for one of the following current #3/4 SP:

 

Edward Cabrera

Roansy Contreras

Logan Gilbert

George Kirby

Logan Webb

Hunter Greene

Josiah Gray

Shane Baz

 

Or how about these MLB ready or almost ready guys: Max Meyer, Brayan Bello, Hunter Brown

 

Not advocating for any particular player, and I'm aware these types of deals are quite rare, just curious as to reactions.

 

Yes.

[Spanky99]

Yes, I'm serious. These discussion boards return money to the creator.

 

Since he put in ads, sure. Who cares?

[Dagagad]

So would anyone be on board with a Moreno deal, with appropriate minor additions on either side to even out the value, for one of the following current #3/4 SP:

 

Edward Cabrera

Roansy Contreras

Logan Gilbert

George Kirby

Logan Webb

Hunter Greene

Josiah Gray

Shane Baz

 

Or how about these MLB ready or almost ready guys: Max Meyer, Brayan Bello, Hunter Brown

 

Not advocating for any particular player, and I'm aware these types of deals are quite rare, just curious as to reactions.

 

Kirby and Baz yes for sure. Assuming baz comes back ok. They both have ace potential. Gilbert as well probably. I don’t know about the rest.

 

I just find it hard to believe that they would trade them. There isn’t anything as valuable in baseball as elite pitching for cheap.

[max silver]

I’m a Kooch guy but let’s not put him in the good SP bin. He’s an actual decent backend SP not a past failure like Chase Anderson (Laila’s boy) or Roarke. Not someone you want starting Game 4 in a big spot for sure. And Berrios is scary so far. Like maybe he could use a reset next year

 

Kikuchi has been pretty damn good since simplifying his mechanics and ditching his cutter. I also have strong suspicions that Berrios made some sort of adjustment in between starts given how much more dominant his overall stuff was in his last outing. I think the shakiness should hopefully be behind him moving forward.

[Jimcanuck]

Kirby and Baz yes for sure. Assuming baz comes back ok. They both have ace potential. Gilbert as well probably. I don’t know about the rest.

 

I just find it hard to believe that they would trade them. There isn’t anything as valuable in baseball as elite pitching for cheap.

 

You never know. Miami definitely would move Cabrera as they have Meyer and Perez and others on the way. Jays would need more than just Cabrera for Moreno.

 

I'm surprised you didn't mention Roansy....